Oh good. Linux Hater has replied to my challenge to stop being anonymous and debate me.
And, look at that, it is a numbered list of excuses why he isn’t going to man up.
Because it sounds like fun, I’m going to quote his entire post and reply to each item inline…
“I feel like I’ve given this Lunduke fellow too much credit.”
“A challenge? really?”
“Let me point out a few things:”
“1. You take yourself waaay too seriously. Imagine what a twat I’d look like if I went after every other person that talked shit about my blog. And just so you know, I don’t fucking follow your blog OK? Some reader sent me the link to your video. He probably felt sorry for you.”
- This is really like 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) points all under item “1″.
- Nobody is talking about you responding to everyone who “talked shit” about your blog.
- Also, worth pointing out, the entire purpose of your blog is to “talk shit”.
- Finally, on the whole “you not following my blog” front… the phrase “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” comes to mind.
“2. You clearly don’t get the point of this blog.”
That is entirely possible. Though, and I’m going out on a limb here, the point seems to be “being cranky about Linux (and Linux-related topics and people)”.
It’s either that or “an excuse to call people names in a completely anonymous fashion under the guise of disliking a particular piece of software”.
“3. You also clearly don’t get the point of me being anonymous. Do you really think I want freetards hassling me in my real life? I just want a place to voice my frustrations. It’s all o’y'all that are having a hissy fit over it. Do you think I want dialogue? Think again lundude. I’m done trying to talk to freetards.”
I fully get the point of you being anonymous. You want to call people names but not have to face those individuals directly or deal with the results.
I just think it’s incredibly un-cool.
As for the whole “It’s all o’y'all that are having a hissy fit over it” remark… it’s worth pointing out that you fired the first shot here sir/ma’am.
It is incredibly obvious that you are seeking a reaction. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. If you have a message you want to get out, it’s helpful to go about it in such a way as to draw a crowd.
That said…
If a man goes running down main street wearing nothing but a Tu-Tu and banging cymbals together… it would be pretty retarded of him to say “can you believe people looked at me when I did that and had an opinion about it?!”.
“4. Also, if you haven’t noticed, freetards are notoriously terrible at separating an argument from the person making it. So why the fuck would I give them any opportunity to dismiss me just because of who I am or what I do for a living.”
… “freetards are notoriously terrible at separating an argument from the person making it”?
Not that I’m going to disagree with you here… I know the kind of person you’re talking about (I’ve lamented their attitudes on the Linux Action Show many times myself). But… Here’s a quote from you in your initial reaction to the video:
“Your audience is more retarded than you are.”
I’m going to go ahead and put your two quotes back to back here… just for kicks:
“freetards are notoriously terrible at separating an argument from the person making it”
“Your audience is more retarded than you are.”
Oh. Hey there Mr Pot. Meet Mr Kettle. Mr Pot! What did you just call Mr Kettle? Well that’s… that’s a really weird thing for you to call Mr Kettle…
“5. It’s nice that you have nice balls. I still think I make better points. Also, I do it without wasting 30 minutes of peoples time by making them watch your inability to deal with xrandr.”
…
I need to start a quotes section of my blog.
“you have nice balls” – Linux Hater
“If you want to make some points, why don’t you write them on your lame blog. Then, if I feel so inclined, I’ll write some stuff on my lame blog. We will make it impossible for our readers to follow. Isn’t that how you freetards do it?”
When I want to make some points I do so on this blog here. Or on the Linux Action Show. Or I go on other podcasts. Or I get up in front of people and talk at conferences.
All of which, it is worth pointing out, I do with my own name.
Why? A few reasons:
- I believe in the things I say.
- I want to see things improve. There is nothing to be gained, in this regard, by staying anonymous.
- I am not a little girl throwing a temper tantrum.
The offer still stands. If you’d like to man up and debate me face to face (or via video conference), I’ll do it on your terms (you can decide on the format, the ground rules, the time, etc.).
We can also do it on any of a wide variety of topics that relate to your little blog and my (vast array) of media outlets I contribute to.
How about a debate on how the format of your blog is either helpful or harmful to the Linux (and software in general) world? Just an idea…
May 19th, 2009 - 10:53 pm
You are such a crybaby. How many days and nights did you spend re-loading Linux Hater’s blog, hoping there’d be a new post with an answer to you?
May 19th, 2009 - 11:02 pm
Probably none, it’s probably syndicated to him. Anyway, thanks Bryan, that gave me such a good laugh.
You can see the first part of why I think Linux Sucks here: http://leifandersen.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/linux-sucks-part-1/
But than again, I plan on putting more up there, especially as this first argument is tangential to the ones that you talk about.
May 19th, 2009 - 11:48 pm
Good honest response, but I wouldn’t bother with someone who’s so obviously just a troll. He might know a thing or two (or even more) about Linux, but I just can’t stand his attitude. He dismisses people as ‘freetards’ when, in fact, you’re really not one. I know that I, and probably a lot of other people posting comments on your blog, would love to make Linux better, by dealing with the issues, and (despite trying new shit is fun) actually trying to standardize and make it easier for people.
This guy is total waste of time. It’s ironic to have someone shout so loudly about ‘freetards’ when he clearly demonstrates all the features that make freetards annoying.
May 19th, 2009 - 11:49 pm
You’ve got a lot of growing-up to do.
May 19th, 2009 - 11:49 pm
Great Post Bryan, don’t mind idiots like Tom. It is a good thing to see that Linux Hater likes your balls, and that they maybe have some too.
May 20th, 2009 - 12:07 am
In all fairness you requested that he give up his anonymity to debate you. There is a fairly obvious reason why he wouldn’t want to do so.
May 20th, 2009 - 12:11 am
@johnny, Shhh, don’t tell him that. I want to see them in the ring together…
But in actuality, yeah, who cares, it’s good for a laugh, but don’t take it seriously.
May 20th, 2009 - 12:12 am
Sorry about this but your post about revealing him self (the dued who bashes about linux) was just unnecessary. Somebody else pointed out that he’s only being a troll. Maybe yes, but from what I’ve read (and I had this blog a long time in my rss-reader) he seamed to me more like a linux-user who was putting a mirror right in front of the linux community.
He (or she) just knew too much about the system – it’s pros and its cons – to be just a regular win-user. I guess that’s the reason the person doesn’t want to reveal him self (because it is a lin-user).
All I’m sayin is:
Even though I don’t like the style of linuxhatersblog this much I have to say “Let him complain about free software and all the freetards that are using it.” This blog reminds us all that oss isn’t perfect (and will never be). There are some serious issues out there that need to be fixed and people like the linuxhaterblog writer(s) remind us that they need to be fixed even though they are inconvenient. But the truth isn’t always comfortable so stick with it!
I don’t care if this person reveals him self or not. Everyone can write what he wants to. So who cares?
May 20th, 2009 - 12:14 am
I don’t really care about this call you did and debate thing. It’s so normal. It’s called seeking for attention.
Seriously, why don’t you make a better video and better slides and try to do something effective on the visual side, if you want to improve things? At least the LH blog is very well written and documented.
There’s a good list of technical “why-linux-sucks” reasons around, it’s on a russian website.
Ah, BTW, LH is a guy.
ESR considered LH blog. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=628
Nothing really changed anyway…
May 20th, 2009 - 12:53 am
You are so silly. You are probably one of those conservatives watching Stephen Colbert who thinks he’s serious.
You really do take yourself too seriously. Or, if your post was an attempt at doing LHB’s shtick, you failed miserably.
May 20th, 2009 - 12:59 am
Anyway, isn’t omnislashing the mark of a true troll? As carefully as you went through the original post, it’s been noted in the comments on LH that you didn’t address his statement about xrandr.
May 20th, 2009 - 2:50 am
http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2009/05/lundork.html
May 20th, 2009 - 2:58 am
Why do all of you think that Bryan is actually being serious? This is obviously sarcastic, with only some seeds in being serious.
May 20th, 2009 - 6:04 am
You are really lame. Really. LAME.
May 20th, 2009 - 6:05 am
I can’t understand why you waste your time on this. Aren’t there better things to do than bear-bait self-opinionated bloggers. You’ll probably find s/he posts from a Linux machine! Linux is about community not slagging of slaggers. The world is a mirror, look angry and it scouls at you, smile and it smiles back.
May 20th, 2009 - 9:14 am
Repeating it five time for you:
You clearly don’t get the point of the Linux Hater’s blog.
You clearly don’t get the point of the Linux Hater’s blog.
You clearly don’t get the point of the Linux Hater’s blog.
You clearly don’t get the point of the Linux Hater’s blog.
You clearly don’t get the point of the Linux Hater’s blog!!!!
Go read it again.
May 20th, 2009 - 10:06 am
Lunduke, you still take this Linux thing much too seriously. As long as you think it is possible to change something in Linux and it’s retarded community as long you are not able to understand LH.
May 20th, 2009 - 11:51 am
“All of which, it is worth pointing out, I do with my own name.
I want to see things improve. There is nothing to be gained, in this regard, by staying anonymous.”
I read LHB probably for similar reasons he writes it. It’s funny, to vent frustrations (I use Linux at work), it’s funny.
However, we are long past thinking that we can affect change or that things will get better. In the 10 years that I have used Linux, it has always sucked in some way. So much so that it was always better to use something else to get my work done.
We don’t care about debating, or getting things fixed or helping Linux improve.
Hell, I’d argue that if things got fixed, it would no longer be Linux. I think one of the main things about Linux is that there is so much choice and freedom to do whatever you want to the system. The minute, you standardise, you guys will be another Apple or Microsoft.
May 20th, 2009 - 1:11 pm
Linux fanboys don’t know about my anonymity!
Oh wait. Actually they do, and they still drool all over my nether region. Yeah baby!
May 20th, 2009 - 1:16 pm
Ha. That balls thing is totally a “You eat pieces of s*** for breakfast?”
Nice.
May 20th, 2009 - 1:27 pm
Dear Brian Lunduke,
Let me explain you, why you are just a common idiot craving for attention.
First, I’ve watched your video (here is youtube link for those, who actually want to be able to forward it -> youtube.com/watch?v=YoYL4R3Te2s ) and looked through the slides. Most of the things you said there is just common sense, but anyway let’s comment some of the things you said…
Audio
Lots of audio frameworks is a huge issue, but let’s look exactly what we have now. Most of the big linux players (Ubuntu, opensuse, fedora) are already using pulseaudio, but I don’t think that the small ones will soon (if ever) be using it as currently IT not only IS “the software that currently breaks your audio” (according to the software author Lennart Poettering), but also doesn’t actually have any worth mentioning advantages to the AVERAGE user. ALSA, which is currently used by most samller distros, does work, but if you have decent hardware the sound SUCKS when compared, let’s say, to OSS. So your suggestion “just pick one” doesn’t work here.
Video
You are blaming Xorg guys for shitty video drivers, when the actual drivers are written by AMD (former ATI), Nvidia, Intel and so on. And what are your suggestions? Rewriting Xorg? WTF? Really WTF? And then you are saying it needs more testing? Do you honestly believe xorg guys are the ones who should test every hardware there is? The thing is HP (you were talking about your HP netbook) doesn’t give a damn about linux, never did and most likely won’t in next 10 years or so. Just buy dell or some other laptop from vendors who actually care about linux.
Also just a side note: there was some lady who was saying that after every kernel upgrade you need to reinstall nvidia drivers. If you are installing the drivers from ubuntu packages you don’t and even if you use nvidia installer, you don’t if you have a version of ubuntu with DKMS (Dynamic Kernel Module Support).
Packaging
You are just suggesting to use one package format. Yeah, that’s obvious for every linux NOOB, but won’t ever happen. Why? Because there isn’t any organization like ISO in linux, which could just tell “DEB packages are the best and RPMs SUCK. Everyone just use DEBs!” Currently basically every distro believes that there format is the best and will keep using it until the distro dies.
Ofcourse, if you did your homework, you would know that there is already Packagekit which tries to solve this problem but I really doubt that it will ever be widely used. Why? Let’s say I’m Debian developer who makes pretty good DEB packages, why a hell would I want to support some shitty RPMs? And FYI, Debian (the distro) packages can be installed in ubuntu and vice versa if, let’s say, we are talking about debian sid and the latest ubuntu version.
High quality apps
You are just telling that freetards should pay for the apps, if they want to have some good ones, or some company should finance the projects (you point to Novell and Canonical). Let’s see why it’s complete nonesense and will never happen. First and the most important reason, OSS development doesn’t work this way. In OSS development model, you take a bunch of developers who work for free or almost for free, in proprietary soft development model, you take few devs, who actually get paid for their work. Then if we look at Novell, we see that it currently can’t even afford to pay for its own devs and just dismissed huge number of them. Canonical? Shuttleworth is already paying Gnome and KDE guys, does he look like someone who should pay every linux dev there is or what?
Moreover, you point your finger at Linspire, Xandros and Mandriva and tell how bad they are, but don’t say exactly what should be done to improve the situation. The thing is, OSS devs don’t know much about marketing because they are developers and not managers. It’s not like the situation might change anytime soon…
Ok, let’s forget the stupid slides and go on to your silly responses to linux hater. Here is few reasons why they are stupid:
1) You are acting CHILDISH by telling to give his anonymity because you (common idiot) won’t respect him otherwise…
2) You are saying that you have the balls to openly tell freetards that linux sucks? You don’t need the balls to tell them things which they already know and in reality nobody cares about people like you.
3) You have no f**ken idea what the linux hater’s blog is about because you just found it, didn’t even bother to read his articles and just made some retarded assumptions.
BTW, I started reading your latest response to linux hater and decided not to waste any more time as it just proves even more how arrogant, childish and stupid you are.
Good luck being attention whore.
May 20th, 2009 - 3:36 pm
The Linux Hater is obviously a knowledgeable person. But that doesn’t make him/her any more useful. He’s/She’s making no contribution in that blog which might do his/her knowledge justice, his/her writings used to be fun but now verge on psychotic (with a pinch of plain old bitterness) and are redundant, and he’s (f*ck it, I assume it’s a guy) just run out of ideas. He used to be highly entertaining but he’s merely one more Internet nerd-minorcelebrity now. Hundreds of bloggers share the honor. That’s cool and many wish they were there (or in Big Brother) but as I said, it’s still quite useless… and harmless.
May 20th, 2009 - 5:55 pm
What’s up with all the profanity being thrown around here by the LH readers? Can’t you be civil? Oh and very few “freetards” actually read this blog. You should pay a visit to the Linux Outlaws forums, and compare.
May 20th, 2009 - 6:27 pm
Brian, this blogger has a good argument:
http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2009/05/lundork.html
May 20th, 2009 - 6:33 pm
Anonymous Insider:
No. That blogger does not have a good argument at all.
That blogger is making assumptions based on his ignorance of my own stance on the issue he raises. (In fact I worked quite hard to get PJ on the show for a long time. A well documented fact for any who do research on it.)
Plus: The very logic used is flawed. Just because you think person “A” does something more (or longer) than person “B” does not negate the actions that person “B”.
May 20th, 2009 - 6:46 pm
Kinda impressive how silly you changed the subject about how you are unable to deal with xrandr.
Would you please try to answer that? I am pretty sure that would be very very funny!
And I am not saying that this whole thing isn’t funny! It really is, but seriously, the LH guy is CLEARLY a lot smarter then you.
Actually, it is kinda sad that feeling I am having now, you know? When you feel shame for other people’s actions? (For your actions, in this case).
May 20th, 2009 - 6:50 pm
Do you know why PJ wants to keep her identity hidden? Here are some hints:
http://tinyurl.com/oyvwwx
http://tinyurl.com/o97qly
http://tinyurl.com/p6ycue
Don’t believe the shyness excuse.
According to documents on the Web, she was once a public affairs director for an “open source software” company. Open source software is on quotes because that company nerver shared its code back to the community.
Cheers!
May 20th, 2009 - 6:54 pm
X:
What’s the hang up on xrandr? Linux Hater’s remark wasn’t really relevant.
Though I’m assuming it’s referring to the fact that a (very cool) dude hopped up to take care of it while I continued speaking with the crowd? Why, on earth, would that be a relevant issue to anything else that’s been discussed? Seems like grasping at straws to me.
Anonymous Insider:
That’s fine. But what does the details of PJ have to do with me or the guy/lady that posts at Linux Hater’s Blog?
May 20th, 2009 - 7:28 pm
Since you worked quite hard to get PJ on the show, you may want to work instead on a documentary about PJ.
Your Linux Sucks video has been watched thousands of times.
A show dedicated to PJ could draw many views by a non-geek audience. It might even be picked up by mainstream media.
The details I provided on PJ might help you to find out more information on who’s she.
May 20th, 2009 - 8:34 pm
It seems that #1 is right.
May 20th, 2009 - 10:04 pm
If LH is just looking for attention, why are you giving it to him instead of just ignoring it? Linux doesn’t NEED new users. They’re nice to have, but people who want to use free software will use free software. People who don’t can piss off and use whatever the fuck they want.
May 20th, 2009 - 10:19 pm
There’s an xkcd comic that you should read, Brian, and everyone else on the web, too.
http://xkcd.com/386/
Don’t feed the troll.
May 20th, 2009 - 11:23 pm
I love all the people telling who are implying that you are just not clever enough (unlike themselves) to understand LH’s blog… It’s as if they think it is some complex piece of literature, with layer upon layer of metaphor. It is ironic that they are the ones accusing you of being pretentious (for standing by your principles in being a freetard).
While, I don’t think feeding the troll is very helpful, I do think a debate between Bryan and LH would be fun to watch. Does Bryan want attention? Ya, who doesn’t? We all have blogs / podcasts because we want attention for ourselves and/or the things we care about.
May 20th, 2009 - 11:33 pm
I suggest you carefully read what LH wrote on his blog. You will find out that his opinion evolved with time. The relevant part spans a pretty short amount of time (up to October last year), the rest is just laughing (and rightly so) at freetards’ stupidity and delusion.
If you read what LH wrote, you will see that LH’s Opinion of the Linux Kernel evolved: first, it was good for LH. But then commentards (myself among them) pointed out that there were some things quite rotten in the Linux Kernel, and that these things were the cause for the dearth of sophisticated drivers available for the latest hardware, and was one of the reasons why OEMs never seriously wanted to support Linux on any Desktop or Laptop computer. Indeed this explanation for the lack of modern hardware support sounded so reasonable that LH adopted that position as well.
LH blogs is simply a place to point out where Linux really sucks and to vent about Linux in general: LH and readers did the job of pointing out the flaws, now look at them, see if you can adress them, or get ready to do the backstroke in an egyptian river.
PS: I watched your video. It was quite interesting, if only because it was a perfect demonstration of what’s wrong with Linux as a Desktop OS (dealing with 2 screens for instance). That, and because you reminded your audience that developpers need money. The problem of your video is that you never really tackled what I feel is the real issue. IMO, the real issue is that unlike MS or Apple, you will never be able to have an enlightened despot to enforce any policy on the Linux developpers: there’s nothing to prevent them to develop what they want, instead of what is needed. Desktop Linux has existed for nearly 2 decades, and is still only closing on Windows 95 from an usability point of view. Frankly, it’s just hopeless.
May 20th, 2009 - 11:36 pm
What is the problem with being a anonymous, buddy? You think because you use your real name and have a picture on this site you’re contributing more than he?
Anyway, it seems that because you make a slides to say something that we all already know and, furthermore, you don’t gave any solution (I mean, a real solution), you think you’re doing more than many people out there. (including LH.)
You’re just a punk.
May 21st, 2009 - 12:25 am
call him out, call him out I say, at least she should have the courage of his convictions, and not hide like a coward behind anonymity
Darrin Ritter
PS note I used my real name
May 21st, 2009 - 12:51 am
I think you should set the time and place, Bryan. When he doesn’t show you can put this to bed and move on.
May 21st, 2009 - 2:21 am
“Linux Hater” is just a troll. He won’t answer your challenge due to being an invertebrate sociopath. His apologists are simply useful idiots in the thrall of his borrowed schtick.
Apparently some moron named Bill Beebe has challenged you to somehow induce Pamela Jones to “come out in the open”, after which he says that Linux Hater will reveal himself the next day. I wonder how it is that this Beebe character is able to make such a challenge on behalf of Linux Hater?
May 21st, 2009 - 5:24 pm
What do Linux Hater and Pamela Jones have in common?
They use Macs with Mac OS X.
May 22nd, 2009 - 11:44 am
I’d just like to point out one thing here…
OH SNAP!
May 24th, 2009 - 4:32 am
Hehe well there were other people that talk about that video in not a positive light, TLLTS powered by LinuxCranks or just threethirty also call you on that video.
I dont really have an opinion since I didnt put much attention to the topic. But it would be funny to have a roundup Linux Cranks and Linux Action Show. Then again thinking this better maaybe is just better to kill it.
June 7th, 2009 - 11:50 am
“Linux Hater is just a troll. He won’t answer your challenge due to being an invertebrate sociopath. His apologists are simply useful idiots in the thrall of his borrowed schtick.”
I’m sure that just throwing random insults will make your comment more valid.