Ubuntu 9.10 – Almost Perfect

ubuntu910bootI can be a rather harsh critic.

It’s been quite some time since I’ve given a really glowing review of any Linux Distro on the Computer Action Show (previously the Linux Action Show).

In fact, I’m pretty confident most people on the Fedora team view me as the biggest-jerk-face-ever for my — let’s just say… “not overly glowing” — reviews of recent Fedora releases.  And I’ve given folks on the Ubuntu team a fairly hard time over the years as well.

Keep that in mind when I state the following:

Ubuntu 9.10 is as close to perfection as any version of Linux I have ever seen.

A little background:  Back in May I wrote an article titled “The Perfect Linux Distro” where I laid out what I would view as, well, the perfect Linux distro.

And, while Ubuntu 9.10 certainly doesn’t implement everything I’d dreamed of in that article, they hit some of the key points.  Let’s take a few minutes and go over the good and bad.

The Good Things in Ubuntu 9.10

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The Ubuntu Software Center

The new Ubuntu Software Center is (or will be) a combination of Synaptic (the current Ubuntu package manager) and an Ubuntu-specific Software Store.

At present it is merely a standard interface for installing packages from the Ubuntu repositories… with a little nicer look and feel than Synaptic.

Canonical has set the goal of developers being able to sell their own commercial software from within the Software Center by the Ubuntu 10.10 release (next year).

This is huge.  Services that allow users to find and purchase software for their platform (such as Apple’s iPhone App Store) have become an almost necessity to support a thriving software ecosystem.  For me, as an independent software developer focusing on Linux, this is a really big freaking deal.

ubuntu910themeThemes / Icons

I know, most of you probably don’t care what the default theme is for your OS.  But, whether we want to admit it or not, the initial look and feel is critical.  This is the first impression people get for a new piece of software.

In the past, let’s be honest, Ubuntu was lacking in this area.  It was… orange.   And brown.

Orange and brown don’t exactly scream “advanced, super-attractive, cutting-edge software”.

Well, I have to say, Ubuntu really stepped up their game in 9.10.  The new default “Human” theme is a smidge darker and a lot classier than what we previously were seeing.  The older, brighter, more “orange-y” Human-Clearlooks theme is still available for those nostalgic for the old days.

On top of this, the default icon set is the new “Humanity” icon design.  Which look fantastic.  Polished.  Modern.  Nice, understated gradients.

Desktop Backgrounds

I feel almost a little silly including something as simple as “Desktop Backgrounds” here.  I mean, it’s just pictures, right?

Well, if you’ve been using past versions of Ubuntu, you’ll know that it has typically only shipped with a very small selection of background pictures.  We’re talking like 2 or 3.

Now, in 9.10, they have a respectable collection of nature and space backgrounds that look as nice and polished as any you’d find shipping with systems from Microsoft or Apple.

ubuntu-beta-install-12The Live-CD Installer

The installer for Ubuntu 9.10 has not changed significantly.  Functionally it is roughly the same as the one we have had in both Ubuntu 9.04 and 8.10.

What they have done, however, is polish things up.  The installer window now fits properly on smaller Netbook screens.  And they’ve added a series of pictures that show you what you can do, with various applications within Ubuntu, as the installer progresses.  Other software makers have been doing this for years (with varying degrees of class)… the Ubuntu team has done this very, very well.

This is a critical piece that has been missing — as many “non-nerd” users will not know to launch something called “F-Spot” to manage their photos.  Now the installer helps these users over that initial learning curve.

New Instant Messaging Client

Pidgin has been the defacto IM software for many Linux distros for years now.  However, it has stalled a great deal and was feeling a big long in the tooth.

It has been replaced by Empathy (which is something I recommended back in May and am incredibly happy to see this is the route they have gone down), which looks and works great.

Built-In Ubuntu One

Ubuntu One, a service that currently offers file storage and synchronization between different Ubuntu powered computers, has been in beta since earlier this year.  With Ubuntu 9.10 this service is now shipping by default.

What’s so great about this?  Two things:

  1. It’s a great piece of functionality that both Apple and Microsoft are providing in various forms for their customers.
  2. It provides a critical revenue stream for Canonical.  (Which is kind of an important bit… considering the system itself is 100% free of charge.)

This, to me, is a sign of maturity.  And I quite like the direction this (combined with the Ubuntu Software Center) is heading.

The Things Missing In Ubuntu 9.10

Notice I didn’t say “bad things”.  Because, in my opinion, the main problem with Ubuntu 9.10 is that it’s missing a few key pieces of functionality.

yofrankie10The Games Are Weak

There are so many great, free games that could be included in Ubuntu.

Yo Frankie, Hedgewars and Frozen Bubble all are great open source games that could give a good representation of some of the great quality of games that are available.

Sure, shipping with a simple solitaire and sudoku game is great.  But let’s step it up a notch!

Video Editing

I don’t fault Ubuntu for not having a built-in audio editing suite.  Sure, I might use it, but it’s not something that most people are going to need.

But video editing?  Windows and OS X both have their defacto tools to let people do at least basic video editing out of the box (or, at least, semi-out of the box).

Grab PiTiVi and either include it as a default application or make it a featured application to install.  The lack of video editing on Linux is often given as a reason why people don’t “switch from Windows”… so take away that reason.

banshee-slide-podcastsBanshee

Rhythmbox is an okay music player and manager.  That’s what Ubuntu ships with right now… and it does the job.

But it’s no Banshee.

Banshee is the bees-knees of music players.  Make haste and get that application in there by default.

As you can see, not exactly a big list of “problems”!

Overall I’d call this release polished, smooth, easy to install and with an improved feature set (new applications that are incredibly promising).

Is it perfect?  No.  But so, so close.

I’d take it so far as to say I see very little reason that Ubuntu 9.10 would not be an excellent choice for the vast majority of computer users.

… Other than PC games.  But that’s a different story…


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146 Responses to “Ubuntu 9.10 – Almost Perfect”

  1. Wired22 says:

    That is great! You know why? Because as I am reading this I am watching the update manager repeatedly crash! Yay! Now I’m stuck with alpha 4!

  2. Nonny says:

    That’s why it’s an alpha release.

    If you wanted a stable environment, you should have waited till Oct 29th.

    Stuck with alpha 4?
    DL the beta live cd and do a new install. You did back up your data, right?

    Seriously, there were 6 alphas before the beta, abd your condemning the final release based on alpha 4?

  3. Chris Benton says:

    Thanks so much for the review Bryan. It put a ray of hope in my Friday. I can’t wait to try the new Ubuntu!

  4. Wayne Dyck says:

    Thanks for the review, Bryan. Saw you at Linuxfest in Bellingham for, “Why Linux Sucks” and remember you touching on some of these topics.

    Looking forward to the upgrade.

    Cheers.

    Wayne

  5. Joe Wilson says:

    YOU LIE! oops wrong place…

  6. Johannes says:

    The great thing with Ubuntu is that every release gets better.
    9.04 was already an almost perfect distribution!
    Thanks for the review.

  7. Goran says:

    Actually gaming for Ubuntu is SLOWLY getting there. With options such as quakelive and Heroes of Newerth out: “light gamers” (not causal|) will find Ubuntu livable if they fall in love with one of those games.

    Of course more games would be better.

  8. Oli says:

    @#1: Stuck at A4 because you can’t use Update Manager?! Seriously?

    Firstly even if Update Manager doesn’t work, you have at least 3 other methods for installing updates: apt-get, aptitude and synaptic.

    If you didn’t know that, you really aught not be testing software liable to break things, lest you end up in another situation like this.

  9. Don Birdsall says:

    There is only so much data that can fit on a 700 MB CD. The developers must pick and choose what they think most people will want and what works best with the distro. Opinions will vary. Some distros are available in both a CD and a DVD edition. The DVD, of course, will have many more installed apps than the CD. Another solution is to provide distros on two CDs. The first would be the install CD, with a minimum amount of third party apps and the second with a larger selection.

    Unless you live in an underdeveloped part of the world, all you really need is the base OS and a system for obtaining the additional software that you require.If you don’t use instant messaging you don’t need either Pidgin or Empathy. If you need to edit videos you will have to obtain PiTiVi or an alternative.

    I think the Ubuntu developers have made intelligent, if not perfect decisions, in their selection of third party software.

    My two cents.

  10. Steve Koenemann says:

    Hmmm… Until it (Grub2) is able to boot from a RAID set I don’t see much use for it, yet. I am assuming that will get fixed before the actual release date, but it seems strange that Karmic would make it all the way to “beta” without that function working. It works great on single drive PCs/Laptops, but I need the rest of it working too for my servers and higher end workstations… I doubt that I am alone in that regard.

  11. SergioA says:

    Thanks Brian!

    Just going to test it on my Asus EeePC901GO…

  12. bloch says:

    Dude, … is this what you call ‘amost perfect’? This looks more like a 4th year design project at the end of your university program than a serious operating system. And what’s up with the linux developers, that bunch of pot smoking slimy software hippies can’t come up with some decent names for their applications? Absolute garbage.

  13. GoldNugget says:

    “..the update manager repeatedly crash! Yay! Now I’m stuck with alpha 4!”

    Try this:
    Open a terminal and type “sudo dpkg –configure -a” (without the quotes). Good Luck and be patient when testing these early releases.

    I have been using Karmic for several weeks and have experienced very few bugs. It looks to be the best Ubuntu so far. Thanks Canonical and devs!

  14. Linux Affic says:

    Banshee?? .. BANSHEE!?!? Banshee is by far, without a doubt, unquestionably the WORST music player ever created.

  15. Brad Pitcher says:

    In my opinion the best thing about the new Ubuntu is the ease with which you can set up A2DP bluetooth stereo.

  16. Antony Jones says:

    Bloch: Please purchase and enjoy Windows 7, it’s a perfect fit for whatever it is that you are.

  17. rkl says:

    Ah yes, Ubuntu is “almost perfect”, except for:

    * Allowing prvileged operations for a non-privileged user using a non-privileged password.

    * Setting root’s password to something random, so when you boot into single user mode or have to fsck on a reboot, you can’t login to do “maintenance”. Yes, I do “sudo passwd root” to fix this, but root password should be set by the installer!

    * Even when you know root’s password, you *can’t* use it as a normal user when the prvilege escalation dialogue appears in GNOME. Nope, you put your own non-privileged password in – wrong, wrong, wrong!

    * Doesn’t install ntpd by default, so yep, by default Ubuntu’s machine time is wrong.

    * Doesn’t install sshd by default, so yep, by default you can’t log into Ubuntu from the command-line of another of your machines.

    * Doesn’t install a full programming environment for C/C++ by default, so woe betide you if you’re a programmer.

    * Doesn’t let you select packages, not even by category, during the installation, meaning I often have to install 20+ things “left out” by Ubuntu that really should at least be choosable by the installer.

    * The Ubuntu Website isn’t very good at promoting that both torrents and DVD downloads are available. Hands up those who knew about both?!

    I’m sorry, but whilst Ubuntu might be useful for novices with a CD drive, one PC and no programming skills at all, for everyone else, Fedora *destroys* it :-)

  18. Tony Yarusso says:

    rkl, some of your complaints are factually wrong, and some others just don’t make sense.

    The way sudo works is to allow privileged operations for a *privileged* user with their user password. Not just anybody can run things with sudo – they have to be in the ‘admin’ group. On a default Ubuntu installation, the user created during the install is added to this, but additional ones would not be. Thus any time you run as a user in that group, you are at a certain level of privilege, but need to supply your password to confirm that when wanting to run certain things, so that you don’t have stuff run without your approval.

    The NTPd issue may be a valid one, although it does assume the machine will have near-constant Internet access. Additionally, the ‘ntpdate’ one-time command is included, and I think run by cron occasionally, and it is very simple these days to graphically install NTPd through the clock dialogue.

    Installing sshd by default would violate the policy against open ports by default, presenting a security risk. Anyone who needs it knows how to get it.

    How can you possibly fault them for not installing some sort of C IDE? If they did, you’d be griping about which one was chosen and other people would be griping that it was a C one and not a Ruby/Python/F#/COBOL one. Obviously that’s not something where a default is reasonable, since it’s a highly personal choice.

    If you want to install a custom set of packages during installation, this can be accomplished relatively simply by using your own preseed file, which can be selected on the Alternate CD.

    Your last point that the torrents aren’t sufficiently promoted I think is spot-on. It’s been getting better, but there’s still a ways to go on that front.

  19. Eugenia says:

    PiTiVi and KDEnLive and any other Linux video editor __can’t compete__ with something like Premiere Elements, iMovie or Vegas Platinum (and these are just CONSUMER video editing apps, not Pro ones). The amount of maturity and usability on Linux video editors is way below the worst consumer video editing apps on Win/OSX, I am afraid. Video editors on Linux are too crashy, too slow and too buggy on Linux (especially in regards to AVCHD). Also, features are just not there (personally, I need advanced color grading plugins).

    In other words, this is one thing that I have been asking for Linux to get since 2002, but it’s almost 2010, and we are still not there yet.

  20. grakhul says:

    I am bouncing back and forth between Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 9.04. Right now I am using fedora 11, but miss alot of the smoothness and some little things that I think Fedora nailed.

  21. Wired22 says:

    Woops! I’m sorry I never knew that making a quip about update manager would bring such an onslaught of criticism. I realized the risks of getting a pre-final OS before I downloaded it. I never condemned the OS, in fact it is pretty great (Including the Intel Chip Support that even windows doesn’t have).Thanks GoldNugget for helping more than insulting.

  22. Gianni says:

    For Video editing, look at Open Shot video editor. Looks promising

  23. Tim Igoe says:

    I’ve been using Karmic now since early Alpha’s – I think its a huge step forward in usability for non Linux users, it makes things that easy to work with.

    There will always be things an OS can improve on, but I believe Canonical are making massive steps forward at getting Linux more user friendly.

  24. Mark O'Neill says:

    In response to people complaining about the lack of good games and video editing software on Linux, I agree (although I don’t use either). However, I think that this isn’t something that it’s up to the FOSS community to handle. What Linux needs is mainstream popularity on the desktop – enough to encourage proprietary software makers to make Linux versions of their programmes. Both video editing software and games have the following characteristics:

    – They take a lot of time, effort, skill and money to produce
    – They require top-notch programming skill as well as attention to detail and artistic skill to be enjoyable to use, i.e. people with a variety of skills are required
    – The competition move forward very quickly. They must get with the times
    – They are no good if not very good

    Now, I am as hopeful as the next open source enthusiast about PiTiVi, but I think that casual, simple, unprofessional video editing is about the most that we can expect for the reasons above. I just don’t believe that anything less than a large institution can hope to put the time and effort into making something brilliant of this kind. Some of you may point to the free OS itself as a reason not to believe what I’m saying, but an operating system can be constructed as the sum of separate parts, while games and VE require an overall, central and integrated development.

    Also, the gaming industry is like the film industry – it relies heavily on money. Making good films cheaply means you need artistic talent; making good games cheaply means you need that as well as a lot of programming experience. It’s not common. That’s why you get so many FOSS games that are carbon copies of other games, like frozen bubble and hedgewars (!)

    But, on the other hand, Ubuntu is always getting better, and I don’t want to bring down the mood!

  25. Pencil Nebula says:

    To bad you simple do not get it.

    Lets assume that Ubuntu is perfect.

    It does not matter. Ubuntu is still a failure.

    Lets also assume ( and that is not much of an assumption because it is true) that Windows is the biggest piece of junk soft ware ever composed.

    It does not matter. Windows is still a winner.

    Why?

    Simple it is the user programs that give a computer its usage not the operating system.

    Programs like AutoCAD, Maple Accounting, Math Lab, MathCAD et. When one is able to run the equivalence of these programs in Linux then and only then will Linux be useful.

  26. Zac says:

    Yes, Ubuntu 9.10 is shaping up very nicely. What is more important is that the ground work for more important goals are there.

    Software Centre: This is a big deal. This will be the key for future growth.
    UbuntuOne: This is no where near fully featured yet.
    Video editing: I would like to see a quality default package for this.
    Games: Get rid of the crap games and put decent ones in.

    I believe the Software Centre is a big deal. Once this is fully implemented it should attract developers, and make software easily available from hobbyists to commercial vendors.

    I get the feeling the the size of the CD is restricting what can be installed as default. I don’t know the best way around this.

  27. Zac says:

    One more thing, those of you who haven’t tried Chromium web browser, give it a go. I am on Ubuntu 8.04 and been running the daily builds version, installed and updated daily from the Launchpad PPA. The performance over Firefox (on my PC anyway) is significant, and it has been 100% stable. There are a few features that need to be included, such as viewing PDF’s in the browser, but it is usable, of course. It a GTK theme button so it matches your desktop.

    Launchpad PPA:
    https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa

  28. mazyayan says:

    i think for video editing, ubuntu has ubuntustudio. so if we need more software about multimedia editing, ubuntustudio is recomended.
    This is a great improvement for linux OS. we hope software maker like adobe, autodesk, etc will provide linux user with their products.

  29. Makurosu says:

    There are actually a lot better games than Hedgewars or Yo Frankie for Linux. Have you played Hedgewars? It’s a slick looking game, but it’s not playable at all. Frozen Bubble is a must and horrifyingly addictive, but there are so many other great games. For example, Secret Maryo Chronicles, Super Tux Kart, Extreme Tux Racer, AstroMenace, Kobo Deluxe Alien Arena, Neverputt, Nexuiz and Pingus to name a few. TORCS and Scorched3D are for more serious gamers, but are also good. There are dozens more – I’m not kidding. I wonder if the people who complain about the lack of quality Linux games have actually gone looking for them. There are some real gems out there. Imagine if Canonical put a dozen games like these on its stock distro. Actually, I’d be happy if they would just keep up with the updates in Synaptic so that I wouldn’t have to go to GetDeb.net, or compile from source in some cases.

    I don’t hear very many people talk about this, but I enjoy watching games like Super Tux Kart and Secret Maryo Chronicles improve with each update. The music and graphics get updated all the time and new levels get added. That’s one thing I love about FOSS games.

    That was an encouraging article. I’m even more excited for the final release of 9.10.

  30. Conrad Phelachio says:

    is it possiblt that my old computer ran better on 8.10 as opposed th the 9.04 i just upgraded too? ca i reinstall the 8.10 and get rid of the 9.04?

  31. Harlan Ellison says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but I think all this “user friendly” stuff is a bunch of crap. As a primarily Windows user, I’ve tried Ubuntu several times, and each time *almost* everything works, but there’s always some fatal flaw that sends me to the forums searching for an answer that’s usually like “this hardware/functionality/whatever is not yet supported in the default linux kernel.”

    Linux is not Windows, it’s not OSX, so it just makes it more difficult to fix your system if something doesn’t work or goes wrong when the user doesn’t actually know how a linux system works because the focus is all on how easy it is to switch to and how few differences there are. What distros like Ubuntu SHOULD be doing is highlighting the differences if they want to actually make switching easy.

    The other thing that IMHO kills Ubuntu and many other distros is package management. Ubuntu’s repositories are always ridiculously out of date. For your average Windows user used to downloading the latest version of everything this is totally unacceptable, I mean WTF really?

    I don’t think either of these problems are going to be fixed by 9.10, so Ubuntu can go suck it :P

  32. Free SCV says:

    Ubuntu 9.04 is great. Installed it and not looking back for Windows. Love to see 3rd party flash work in Firefox, lost a few chances at Facebook Polls (creating one req adobe flash 10 for WINDOWS :(

    It was easy enough to install w/o knowing code. Banshee is an AWESOME iTunes style program, the live internet recomendations from last.fm is amazing. Shows similar artists to the ones a person is playing.

    PAYING for another Windows? Well I lasted w/o Vista so I’ll see if 7 is WORTH the trouble. Certainly not worth 100 bucks if Ubuntu gives me 90-95% of the stuff I need LEGIT free vs pirate free. I own MY Windows buy know lots whom don’t. Why “help” family /w Windows when you can REALLY help them by getting them off the junk? :)

    This is the best “newbie” Linux I’ve used. The live add/remove programs at the bottom of applications makes it EASY as 3.14 to install programs /w a single click. Even my SNES emulator is in there (ZSNES, works great, game genie built in).

    Open Office is a good enough “free ms word/excell”

    Mozilla Thunderbird is a nice Outlook Express.

    Still looking for a free dreamweaver equivilant. If someone could e-mail freescv@nospamgmail.com I’d appreaciate it. :D (remove nospam please)

    VLC Media Player ROCKS! Simply put. Plays every media file I throw at it. Should be default installed.

    Got Pidgin to work for Instant Messaging. Can’t BELIEVE how many networks they work on! Good Bye MSN Messenger/Windows Live Messenger!

    Wish utorrent ported to Ubuntu.

  33. mindtrapd says:

    OK- so the creators of the apps aren’t creating linux based equiv’s – BUT some of them can be “fudged” in using wine etc. i.e. – I got my World of Warcraft running in 15 min using wine for the FIRST time – yes im a linux noob… – so by developing a better windows simulator so that ubuntu can use the programs people are wanting, it can easily compete (especially considering the PRICE). So the arguement that linux is the LOSER because companies haven’t caught up to the possiblity that there ARE other os’s out there… well i blame the companies. Meanwhile, I am sure the future will bring converters until they CLUE IN. Why blame a great OS for the distributors/program creators short comings? I’ll duel boot until the day comes, and I’m not going to bitch…

  34. Mark O'Neill says:

    @Pencil Nebula:
    >Ubuntu is still a failure
    That would be true if market share was something constant. Ubuntu is LOSING is more like it. And even then, just on the desktop.

    The idea that Linux isn’t “useful” is simple (as you would say) wrong. I mean, just because it can’t run a certain set of programmes that you mention doesn’t really mean all that much. It’s used in servers for over half the internet, almost all the world’s supercomputers, a fair portion of laboratories and medical centres, the London Stock Exchange, embedded systems, animation studios like Dreamworks, new phones… the list goes on. And it’s constantly growing.

    And besides, MATLAB does work for Linux!

  35. Svtracer says:

    It sounds good, but I’ll only go back when they have smooth full screen flash playback. Until then I have Opensuse and Xp.

  36. Patrick says:

    There is a space limit when dealing with the software that comes pre-installed with the OS. Perhaps the solution is to provide smaller, less feature-rich alternatives along with an easy-to-access method of upgrading those applications to the big and powerful ones once everything is set up and you’re connected to the internet.

    I say this because A: I don’t use video editing software, and I don’t need the best-of-the-best taking up precious hard drive space, B: even Open Office is a bit much when I predominantly use GEdit, and C: I don’t even know how to use GIMP. I downloaded a smaller, simpler image editor.

    Windows has a thing called Advertised Shortcuts, when you install something and one of the components is deselected, the shortcut to it is still created so that when opened, it calls up the installer again to activate it. I don’t often say this about Microsoft, but that was actually a good idea.

    If you do want to include the big stuff, there’s still a DVD. But Canonical has a good thing going by providing a CD instead, as they’re still more universally compatible with the target market.

  37. Carl says:

    I am very impressed by 9.10. My girlfriend, who thinks I am nuts for trying to make it my production OS, finally said the other night “It finally looks like a real OS” to beta 1 and I agree. Everything is starting to get the polish it needs. Still prefer pidgin, nix rhythm box, include video editing and its gold. On my Macbook Pro, 9.04 needed a lots of work to get remotely decent audio, media keys, screen brightness, fans i mean the list went on for days. 9.10 beta worked everything OTB but wireless. Huge leap forward.

  38. Paul says:

    Each time I try Ubuntu I feel let down that it isn’t something that a regular computer user can use. It has been over a year now since my last attempt. I normally toss it in a vmware session and try it out.

    What I’m usually left with is the knowledge that if I am having problems installing simple software that I need to browse web pages or whatnot, then there is no way any of my friends can/will do it. And no way small businesses could afford to use it, free or not.

    So is this article saying that it is a good operating system for almost everyone, or that it is just the best hobbyist operating system under the ubuntu name so far?

  39. Jay says:

    Have a look at Kmahjongg…it’s a lot better than the one that’s included by default. You’ll need to install the Kde dependencies but no biggie.

  40. Jay says:

    “Programs like AutoCAD, Maple Accounting, Math Lab, MathCAD et. When one is able to run the equivalence of these programs in Linux then and only then will Linux be useful.”

    In response to this, many Windows programs run under Wine or Crossover. In 9.04 there was a really crummy old outdated version of Wine included, and the only way to update it was via the commandline. Hopefully they decided to include a newer version that is more compatible with Windows apps.

  41. amoney says:

    way to criticize the fact that ubuntu doesnt have good games. fucking retarded – linux has never been about games, compatibility would be nice but its absolutely not something that should have been added to the negative list. its like you just added it to add it, you can “this distro is no good because games arent on it” to 100% of linux distros that exist.

    the fact that you mention games in a linux review fucking kills me

  42. Zac says:

    Paul:
    No, it is not a hobbyist operating system. I didn’t know about how to install an operating system, then install other things, use different programs etc. I tried it out of sheer curiosity, played around with it…it works, wow!…uninstalled it…..installed it again…..not bad….uninstalled it again….installed again…..and it has remained on there for almost three years. With no plan to use it permanently, I gradually found that I was using it more and more. It made efficient use of my time, never failed, never locked up, stable, I could do things easier and simplier than on Windows and the PC never got sluggish, the start up time was the same as the first day I installed it. Recently, I installed an internal second hard drive for Ubuntu, the other one has Windows, which I had to keep for someone else. Now Ubuntu is my operating. I trust it with all my documents, my photos, it is my workhorse, really all of my memories. It is a tool which has given me no hassle. If you are used to using Windows and have not tried properly over a period of time, an alternative, you will never know. Microsoft wants it this way, so try something else and you will be rewarded. This is what a computer should be and I like to share what I have learnt with others.

    Don’t switch over to Ubuntu (or others) cold turkey. All you need to do is gradually start using it. Start with simple tasks, such document writing, web browsing, looking at photos etc then expand that. eg my Nokia phone works on 3G tethering out of the box, it is just plug in and surf.

    Like me in the beginning, if you don’t want to install a second hard drive, just get a USB drive plug it in a spare USB port, install Ubuntu, and leave it there. I had Ubuntu working off a USB drive for almost to years. When you start up your computer you’ll get asked if you want to use Windows or Ubuntu, so you can choose.

    No one told me that Linux makes a fantastic operating system. I found that out by accident, lucky I did. I encourage people to try Ubuntu. If you don’t like it, remember to come back in another 6 months because Linux is progressing rapidly.

  43. Andrioid says:

    This is a nice writeup and I agree with most of what you’re saying except Banshee.

    From my experience it’s slow, prone to crashing and doesn’t really offer more than Rhythmbox or the classic Winamp for that matter.

    But, this is the great thing about Linux; if you don’t like it. Change it!

  44. enginarc says:

    it looks like a win 3.1 refurbished, i am sorry

  45. Eric says:

    I’ve been running 9.04 for a couple months now and decided to try out the new Windows 7 build. All the ad’s said it was the best windows yet. For the 3+ months I have been running 9.04 the computer has run smoothly with NO problems, not one stall or freeze. I ran the install of windows and it blue-screened during the install! yeah, I’ll stick with Ubuntu.

  46. istoff says:

    Just checked. The Yo Frankie game is a 120mb download. Not practical for a cd distro. I know I’m stating the obvious, but…

    The amiga & c64 had plenty of games that have been remade into OSS equivalents. Many of them ran in < 64k on the c64 and I am sure good clones exist for Linux.

    Would kill for a decent Thrust clone ;)

  47. mcl says:

    Everything above Ubuntu 6.06 blackscreens during install on my laptop. 6.06, fine: anything later than that, dead on arrival. That’s not moving forward, that’s going backward. Yeah, I’ve tried vga=788 on boot up. No joy.

  48. Dohn Joe says:

    Ubuntu one is a garbage app. http://www.getdropbox.com <= Get a real solution that’s cheaper and cross platform.

  49. Jay says:

    If you’re looking for a good video editor, try OpenShot. It’s been around less than a year, but development is happening rapidly, and it’s already the most stable and easiest-to-use video editor I’ve seen in Linux.

  50. .net jerkface says:


    In response to this, many Windows programs run under Wine or Crossover. In 9.04 there was a really crummy old outdated version of Wine included, and the only way to update it was via the commandline. Hopefully they decided to include a newer version that is more compatible with Windows apps.

    Some of them don’t run, and some that do have limited functionality or haven’t been fully tested.

    Autocad in Wine – Bronze Compatibility:
    http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9306

    Why not just run them in Windows instead of fucking with Wine?

    Linux is good for cell phones and servers. As a desktop OS it is a waste of time.

  51. Ryan says:

    I don’t understand the idea that this is the great visual refresh that his been promised for years. It is still brown, not only that, but it is now a frankenmonster of the ’06/’07 theme and the ’08/’09 them. Who decided having the icons bright, saturated orange and the windeco/theme dark brown makes sense. I can sum this entire release up with
    “Ubuntu 9.10, Entirely stunning until it finishes booting.”

  52. deadend desktop says:

    “Ubuntu’s repositories are always ridiculously out of date. For your average Windows user used to downloading the latest version of everything this is totally unacceptable”

    Exactly, Ubuntu as an OS is just too basic, the fonts and font spacing/sizing is awful, apt is useless if the repository itself is outdated. And you risk breakage or dependency issues should you go to another repository. The more you power use Ubuntu, the more things work against you and trivial things start to add up and get annoying.

    Linxu Desktop is so 90’s, I’m fedup and done with usingDistroX(Tm) everytime only to find out the same crappy apps and issues are still there.

    Linux.is.for.servers.

  53. sinstar says:

    OMG I cant wait for this. ubu keeps crashing

  54. Rebel Yell says:

    Almost perfect? What a joke… crashes randomly on my Toshiba laptop. Bigger and bloated that’s what it is.

  55. sebastian says:

    A couple things that I think are worth to mention about the new Ubuntu: EXT4 now comes as the default FS which consistently reduces boot time. Besides the FS, the Ubuntu staff worked hard on the boot stage which is awesome.

  56. Yuri says:

    One more missing thing. Pidgin! Yes, Empathy is not ready for production yet.

  57. skizmo says:

    Updated yesterday with the current beta.

    Boot times increased 3 fold.
    It keeps asking my password (instead of the 10 minutes rule).
    Half of Ubuntu is missing icons.
    Every 10-15 minutes something crashes and I’m unable to find what.
    Multiple applications simply ‘hang’ after closing.
    Compiz already crashed 3 times in 1 evening.
    Icons on desktop are GONE.
    Newly created icons keep disappearing.

    I think there is a lot to do before releasing.

  58. JoeZ says:

    Has anything been done about USB speed recognition, and corruption of file systems on USB mounted drives?

  59. Ricardo Ramalho says:

    Just reporting: no icon problems, boot time is equal to 9.04, never had those “something crashes and don’t get what”. Having one issue with the nvidia driver, with google earth.

    9.10 is very good. Just use it, and forget all the naysayers please! :)

  60. Carl E. says:

    What’s with all the anti linux idiocy going on in the comments here? Ubuntu isn’t as visually appealing as OSX or windows? It ships with compizfusion pre-installed. Compiz blows OSX and Windows7 out of the water when it comes to visual flash. My windows explode when I minimize, burn away when I close them, and fly up as a paper airplane when I close them.

    This isn’t even including the custumizability that you get with the OS. The folder themes and interface is on par with the other systems, and if you dont like it you can easily find a theme that makes it look like the competition.

    Then there is the usability like Harlan mentioned before. When first switching to windows it is actually difficult but thats because it’s a different beast and when switching between OS’s there will always be a learning curve that is just the nature of the beast, but when you actually look at ubuntu it is very user friendly. You need a program? You don’t have to search the internet to get to it you only have to search the package manager. Most hardware works when you plug it in and if it doesn’t then the system will automatically download and install the necessary drivers for you. If you have any problem with the program then you can just google “ubuntu *insert problem here*” and you will find the answer you need 90% of the time.

    Still there are still some hurdles before Ubuntu can becomes a true mainstream OS. It can be hard for the average consumer to set it up. The synaptic package manager is easy to use but it’s interface would be intimidating for the average user. The worst part is I’ve run into programs that can only be installed through the terminal. It is easy to do and it’s just a simple command(and when it isn’t you can copy and paste) but text commands are probably one of the most intimidating things to the average user. Then there are minor things like autoarranged desktop icons only being able to be arranged by name.

    Another problem is that despite the steps ubuntu has made to become user friendly, it is still brutal compared to Windows and Apple OSs. You can actually accidentally delete your panels; compatibility is a bitch and wine and playonlinux require you to know they exist in order to install them; and the OS’s biggest strength of customizability can be used to accidentally remove other important things like menus and clocks.

    A lot of these problems are easy to fix by just updating the package manager a bit(which 9.10 seems to have done). All in all it is a usable alternative to windows and unless you are bad with computers switching should be pretty easy.

    Personally I prefer windows mint though. Same features but with a good taskbar and better usability.

  61. Frak says:

    I love how people claim that Ubuntu is nearly perfect. Until I see some Suckless Philosophy going into the builds, Ubuntu will NEVER come CLOSE to Windows or Mac OS X.

    I’ll keep it short, so I’ll correct one of the proclaimers:

    “What’s with all the anti linux idiocy going on in the comments here? Ubuntu isn’t as visually appealing as OSX or windows? It ships with compizfusion pre-installed. Compiz blows OSX and Windows7 out of the water when it comes to visual flash. My windows explode when I minimize, burn away when I close them, and fly up as a paper airplane when I close them.”

    Because it’s

    1. Useless
    2. Buggy
    3. Taking time to do some stupid effect is grounds for removal in many offices. Wastes efficiency.
    4. Useless
    5. Useless

    Businesses, nor home users for that fact, care about effects. It may be cool in the beginning, but once you’ve used it for a while, it’s just as stale as old bread. Nobody cares.

  62. /dev/null says:

    Linux is definitly dead.
    Just 100% pure garbage, nothing useful to do with it.

  63. Nir says:

    Oh boy… operating system reviews are such a hoax.

    This guy judges a distribution as nearly perfect cause they switched an IM client and made some cosmetic changes?

    How about making sure their graphic drivers actually run this time on lenovo laptops?
    How about finally making sure hard disk protection really works?
    How about copy/paste which ain’t totally broken?

    How about a gazillion of other stuff hidden somewhere in the hundreds of millions of lines of code which compose this OS and the author has no idea about?

  64. Carl E says:

    “Businesses, nor home users for that fact, care about effects. It may be cool in the beginning, but once you’ve used it for a while, it’s just as stale as old bread. “Nobody cares.

    That’s a load of crap and you know it. Just skim through the comments and you’ll see a number of people saying it sucks because it looks bad. One guy even put the OS down because it he thought it looked like win 3.1.

    If you want an example of why you are terribly wrong just compare OSX and Windows7 to Xp and OS9. Obviously the industry and people in general care about the flashier OSs or else we wouldn’t be moving towards it.

    Besides that your argument falls apart because Ubuntu IS still a fully functional OS and it’s less memory intensive than the competition. So it’s not as big a resource hog, it looks cooler, it’s stable, it’s secure, and it can still do everything else the other guys can do(minus good video editing). So what exactly is wrong with ubuntu?

  65. Red White Blue Linux says:

    I’m waiting for the final to come out — I’m a huge fan of Ubuntu and am really excited!

  66. Ignacio says:

    I agree with you except for a couple of things:

    – Software Store should have filters support (i.e. since there are so many repeated applications that do the same thing: amarok vs banshee, kino vs. kdenlive some prioritization or filtering should be considered depending on the desktop environment)

    – Banshee is prettier than Rhythmbox, but it sill lacks some features that I think are very important: Banshee won’t update its database automatically if the music folder gets additions/changes from outside banshee, banshee does not follow symlinks to network mountpoints.

    – Ubuntu (as well as other linux distros) do not include by default an intuitive, easy-to-use, bullet-proof backup and restore utility.

    – Ubuntu should use grdc by default for vnc and rdc remote desktop connections.

    – Thunderbird is way better than evolution (except for exchange support, which is used by a minority of people in comparison to pop3 and imap)

    Even so, I agree with you that right now Ubuntu 9.10 is the best desktop-oriented linux distro ever.

  67. /dev/life says:

    People that claim linux is useless/crap/etc. try to generalize their truth to everyone. There are things Linux is not suitable for and there are things it is perfect for.

    As desktop OS Linux is unsuitable for:
    * Desktop environment in enterprises that depend on MS Office
    * People who are expert Windows users. People skilled enough to install windows but who have no general IT knowledge. They lack the capacity to adjust to differences in basic concepts between systems.
    * Gamers and professional content creators that need specific tools not available/stable on Linux.

    As desktop OS Linux is suitable for:
    * Causal computer users who live on the web anyway and have to beg/pay to get their system maintained and set up and manage to get malware infested regularly. This class of people usually end up with linux because the relative/friend maintaning the system for them gets fed up with the service calls.
    * Machines that can not run modern Windows sensibly due to resource issues. Netbooks are main example. Mind, the “expert Windows users” will blame any performance problems on Linux, not on the computers actual power. They cant understand that the little computer has about as much horsepower as high end desktops a decade ago.
    * IT pros that like to have full control over their system and like to abuse it in ways unimaginable.
    * Idealists. Some people simply find FOSS philosophy more acceptable than the corporate way of life. Some people simply want a free system without stealing one.

    I personally am a hybrid of last two. I don’t like software that is a black box for me. If I have a bug, I like to be able to dig through the entire stack. I’ve experienced a bug in Gimp for example that involves the use of a tablet. I can drill down on it, all the way to the device driver in the kernel through, GTK and X to find the cause and then file a bug at the guilty component. This is also something I belive, that makes the FOSS superior. A part of the stack does not hack around bugs in underlying components, instead problem are fixed at source. Also, I find the price tag on Windows ridiculous and its anti-piracy measures draconian.

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  69. Xpistos says:

    I am loving Karmic! I had some nightmares with Jaunty and wanted out asap! Since I am still a bit of newb, I waited til the Karmic Beta and then went CRAZY! Sure there are some issues, but those little things will be ironed out in the next few weeks.

    Now my next project is to try and dual boot with Haiku in my Dell Media Direct partition!

    Good times!

  70. Sascha Peilicke says:

    Ubuntu 9.10 seems to become a great release, but I’ve been even more impressed by all the great work done by the Kubuntu team. The beta shows awesome improvements with KDE4 integration compared to what has been offered before. (K)ubuntu is now in a state that I would recommend it again to Linux beginners.

  71. Twirrim says:

    skizmo:

    I had no end of problems with 9.10 beta clean, re-formatted install, but with an old home directory from previous release. To the point where I was going to give up on it and go back to 9.04. Yesterday I moved every .blahblah type directory to .blahblah.old and rebooted.
    Gone are all my woes, all works smoothly and cleanly. Doubt it’s Ubuntu’s fault so much as an upstream problem.

    rkl: How is Fedora better than Ubuntu? I’m fairly distro agnostic, but I do tend to prefer a distribution not to be ridiculously buggy as hell on release. Installing additional applications through RPMs routinely leaves me in cyclical dependency nightmares, forcing me to have to download the srpms and ‘do it myself’ just to install packages. It’s rare for me to have a problem with “aptitude install yankee-doodle”

    I will admit part of my fedora prejudice is from having too many issues with it running on customers internet facing servers. It’s just too bleeding edge to use on something that critical. That and the short release cycle. It’s not Fedora’s fault either, it’s being used for something it’s not really designed for.

  72. Twirrim says:

    Nir:

    Copy Paste? What’s wrong with left click to select text and middle click to paste? Works every single time for me.

    Lenovo Drivers? How about the hardware manufacturers releasing Linux drivers for their hardware instead of forcing people to have to reverse engineer them? It’s hardly Ubuntu’s fault that the upstream kernel developers haven’t been able to sort out a bug in some exotic hardware in a particular model of laptop. With most graphics cards Windows still settles on VGA driver by default until you’ve installed the manufacturers drivers specifically. Why are you griping at Ubuntu devs instead of the manufacturers?

    “How about a gazillion of other stuff hidden somewhere in the hundreds of millions of lines of code which compose this OS and the author has no idea about?”

    Oh dear… looks like foaming at the mouth, incoherence and an inability to form anything approximating a valid point have set in :(

  73. Vevmesteren says:

    omg this is is really getting me exited, if my Ubuntu Box weren’t my work machine, I’d go for the Beta right now. But I guess I will just have to wait. Just one thing. Why on earth do you recommend Banshee as opposed to Songbird. I have been hooked on the bird for quite some time now…

  74. Shawn Patrick says:

    Linux is a good OS and it’s people behind are really, really well intentioned. Now in saying that, it suffers from two fatal flaws that will always keep it a geeks toy.

    1) It’s always playing catch up on hardware and devices. Since almost no 3rd party develops drivers and software for devices, Linux types are always having to reverse engineer stuff.

    2) Linux is going to have to embrace **PAID** software for the public to accept it. That’s right, paid software. No one is going to develop quality games and such for Linux for free. If we want quality games for Linux, we are going to have to PAY for them. Wine is good but it’s not the answer.

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  76. Jesse Zylstra says:

    As already stated:
    Ubuntu comes in a lovely 700MB disc. Now, I woulden’t mind if they added a second disc for users who really want the extra “stuff”, but quite frankly I like the size. It’s not a wreck to my bandwidth, and it can be downloaded in a reasonable amount of time on a medium or low grade DSL connection. Not only that, but it fits on a cheap flash drive very well, and doesn’t require that I be burning a DVD (but if I wanted to, I could put it on to a DVD).

    Ubuntu has come a long way, I was just writing about Ubuntu’s advantages over Windows for the average home user, moving over key features as well as some of those that are still lacking.

    Overall, Ubuntu is still not something I am going to go install on my Grandmother’s computer, and I don’t ever turn my clients over to it unless they know a good deal about Linux and using computers (and if they know what they are getting into…)

    Anyways, rebuttal as you feel fit — it’s just my opinion.

  77. Kyle says:

    me personally i have used XP, Vista, OSX, Ubuntu 9.04 so far at first hated Ubuntu but you know something after i got use to it i loved it sometimes i don’t think it is visually stimulating enough and wish they would fix this and maybe go with Aero like Windows love the look however it runs without crashing never had it freeze and it works with everything and updates so much better and installing and uninstalling programs is so much faster no reboots and well i do wish however the firewall software was a bit more noticeable sometimes i feel like it isn’t there which isn’t good to me because i like security but other than that and the fact that Scribus can’t stand toe to toe with Publisher i love Ubuntu and will continue to use it

  78. Paulo Morais says:

    Hello,

    You should look for Open Shot Video Editor, is a new non-linear video editor for Ubuntu. It’s a very nice option.

    Regards,
    Paulo

  79. ubuntero says:

    This version of ubuntu is definitely the best i tried.
    Ubuntu continues to evolve nicely!
    Btw, for those that want the last versions of the programmes that run on ubuntu,
    they SHOULD try ubuntutweak http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
    It adds so much more value to ubuntu that it transforms it into a completely new os!
    And yes,using such a simple programme they can easily install themes and icons that make windows 7 and mac OS to look ugly in comparison.
    Try and see!
    For the others that claim that linux in general and ubuntu in particular is garbage and useless,
    they are either paid agents of microsoft or just deranged persons that pretend to be so!
    Ubuntu is gaining popularity every single day that passes and nothing can stop its eventual dominance.
    Keep up the good work and spread the wisdom.

  80. Martijn says:

    Oh god, what’s wrong with the people above? 100% garbage? Huh? Seriously? Have you even LOOKED at it?

    Really, if you don’t like it you should just ignore it and buy a Windows license.

    I’m writing this on a Mac and yes, there are some things I like about it. Still, technically Linux is far ahead of Mac OS. Almost everything but the graphics-layer is better (however, Galium3D will be finished soon).

    The problem with the Linux-desktop: there’s no leader. Steve Jobs can say: “Developers, we’re going in THAT direction. If you don’t like it; there’s the door”.

    For Windows users:
    – Have you ever played an ogg/mkv/m4a/h264 on Windows without going to a website and download codecs?
    – Why do you have to go to the website of the company of your video card (what the heck is that anyway?) to download drivers?
    – Why can’t one update-manager keep my system up-to-date and secure?
    – Why do you have to install antivirus?
    – Why do you have to install a firewall?
    – Why do you have to deframentate your hard drive?
    – Why can’t Windows open my Linux drive?
    – Why does it costs a hundred bucks?
    – Why doesn’t Windows come with a spreadsheet-editor?
    – Why doesn’t Windows come with a document-editor?
    – Why can’t I connect to my AIM/IRC/Google Talk/Sametime/Zephyr/Yahoo/ICQ-account?
    – Why can’t I call using my VOIP account out-of-the-box?
    – Why can’t I install themes?
    – Why does the install take soo long?

    Still, I love Windows. It’s good in it’s own way.

  81. Mark Miller says:

    The update manager has crashed regularly with the alphas/betas for 9.10 – no worries though – just go to the command line and use:

    sudo apt-get update
    sudo apt-get upgrade

    has worked every time.

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  83. Michael Tsang says:

    I’m currently using Kubuntu 9.10 as my desktop/server as I think GNOME has less feature than KDE. Kubuntu is doing better and better now.

  84. Rick Astley says:

    ‘Hurr derrr it is free but not perfect!’

    Program it yourself.

    If it is missing functionality, then program it yourself and licence it under the GPL.

    All these nay says don’t even understand that it is their own fault things are not to their standard.

    Having a sook about not getting something for free is absurd.
    Program it yourself. Give to the community.

  85. JohnT says:

    I loaded the beta version of 9.10 about a week ago, after using 9.04 for a while, and eeebuntu for about a month before that. As soon as I loaded the beta of 9.10, I was blown away. I downloaded the netbook version for my Asus 1000HA. It is faster, slicker, and just about as perfect as I could want. I can’t get some things to load; for example, Airfoil returns error messages when I try to download it. I am an avid Apple OS fan, and have an imac and a Macbook Pro. When I bought my netbook, it came with XP, which frustrated me with its nags, pop-ups, warnings, etc. It seemed like a child, constantly tugging on my shirt sleeve, needing something. I tried several versions of Ubuntu and settled on the main release, over eeebuntu, puppy linux and a few others. It has many of the things I love about my Macs; networking is a breeze, and wireless printer set up took less than a minute. I am looking forward to the 29th, when I can move from beta to final.

  86. SD says:

    Going by some of the comments, it is distressingly apparent that the reason even the most user-friendly Linux distro will not succeed is because it has an IQ requirement ‘slightly’ higher than that legacy OS.

  87. Surja says:

    I use XP and Ubuntu on my laptop. The main reason to use XP is to run programs like AutoCAD and 3DSMAX which don’t have linux versions. For any other work, like document editing, spreadsheets, presentations, PHP / Python scripting, simple audio and video editing, graphics etc. Ubuntu just works very well. I don’t have to install antivirus or antispyware software which do consume considerable resources. Ubuntu runs noticeably faster on old and new hardware. Agreed that a bit of tweaking is needed to make all the hardware work, but a judicious choice of hardware in the first place makes it much easier to run in the future. If there are problems, the forums are manned by very helpful people who respond very fast. People may have problems using Ubuntu but in the end I think it is heading in the right direction and the Ubuntu guys are doing a wonderful job giving us a free OS which is definitely worth using.
    I do hope people soften there attitudes towards this wonderful OS and start using it more so they know it better.

  88. Mark says:

    Still trying to reconcile the headline ‘close to perfection’ with the list of mundane and missing features you showcase …

  89. Jay S says:

    If 9.04 is the best Ubuntu there has ever been it is depressing. I was hoping I can ditch my Windows machine and go Ubuntu fulltime. I learned one thing – it is not whether an OS is better or not. It is APPS, APPS and APPS. GAMES, GAMES and GAMES. The best OS is the one that you do not notice. After using Photoshop, GIMP is a joke. I can’t see myself switching any time soon. I hate MS and I wish I could ditch them altogether. But realistically, not anytime soon.

  90. Dana Ross says:

    I love Ubuntu but I love my wireless printer driver to my new epson printer. How do I do that?

  91. Mitch H says:

    I was a devout Microsoft “user” for years and hated Vista so I bought a Mac. I loved it. Until I discovered 9.04. I installed it on a new laptop and found it difficult to use. So I toyed around with different versions, ultimate edition mostly. I have to say, I love the basic package available in 9.10. I have three Mac machines for my family and Ubuntu on my PC. My kids all want 9.10 on their Mac Books. I say good job. So much more user friendly, such a clean initial interface that is almost intuitive. And the “System Settings” menu is a great basic addition, like my 12 year old said, “it’s a one stop shop for all my problems!” Again, bravo!

  92. dajomu says:

    The reason why Linux most probably will never take a large bite of windows market share, is because people don’t want to learn something new. Most users grew up with windows and know how stuff works to suite their needs. Some people use Mac as well, but they are the wanna-be-cool-guys or those that has special need for video-editing. Linux-people like my self are just geeks.
    My wife does not like Linux because it does not behave like windows and programs are different. It is as simply as that. Why in the world should she go through all the trouble learning a new OS when everything works fine in Windows? Virus? malware? She doesn’t even know what that is…

  93. jonny rocket says:

    my wife and two teenage daughters love ubuntu and they think it runs fast. they ask “how do i do this or that” and i show them. i tell them about the lack of viruses and they are dumbfounded as to why that is. they have been brainwashed into thinking that. i am on 9.10 right now and i have’nt had ANY problems. love it.

  94. andif says:

    thanks for info, i’m still waiting final release

  95. davemc says:

    Great review, thanks. And you’re first page on Google for ubuntu 9.10 reviews, so you’re doing it right.

    I live in Ubuntu all day every day, and it’s very exciting to hear it’s going to be this good.

  96. FenixNR says:

    Ok, seriously, the review is great, except for your opinions on programs. Just because you think banshee is the best program out there doesn’t mean everyone else does. Same for most of the programs.

  97. College Student says:

    I think I will get Windows 7 for 30 dollars US instead of dealing with the time and headaches. I like gaming as well as the office software. I agree that Ubuntu is constantly improving and I’m excited about it. Unfortunately, it is not to the point where I am comfortable making it my primary OS.

  98. pa3k says:

    I’m so excited for its release. Now, its october 29.
    But it says, instead of number of days before the release, there its indicated that its comming soon?!??
    But why does they says that thay are releasing it at Oct. 29?!?!

    I have no more time to download!

    so dissapointed…

  99. olivier says:

    Interesting, I am also interested in seeing how the comments all talk about the apps that have been installed by default.
    If you don’t like an app by default, you don’t need to change the distro, simply remove it and replace it with the option of your choice.

    I’m partial to looks as well and am using Linux Mint, which is basically ubuntu with different themes, and some custom apps (about 5-6).

    I keep seeing mentions here of how great Photoshop is. I quickly googled it, but can only find pieces of that software retailing at over £400. Are any of the people there actually using a legal version?????? Because OK, if I were to put that amount of money (equal to the actual price of my machine), would I have to pay again the next time the software is upgraded?????? This doesn’t make sense! Anyway, the casual user probably doesn’t use photoshop, so I guess we can rule this out as a factor for the mainstream users. GIMP suits me for the moment. I am sure that photoshop is great, its just well… er… the price…

    This reminds me of when I was doing sport, and people thought that such a trainer would boost their capacities ten-fold. Har Har Har, they were slow, they didn’t understand that these shoes were for pros, people who might be actually benefiting from that extra hundredth of a second, not the guy who runs 100 meters in 12 seconds….Not joe bloggs…

    Photoshop is for Pros, advanced functions of Excel are for pros, Autocad is for pros etc… If you are in that category, just buy a mac, and you will be fine. For the others, why not use the open source equivalent which are free and sometimes equally as powerful! and upgraded for free.

    Another thing about Ubuntu is that it is regularly updated, and a new version comes out every month.

    The major competitor of Windows 7 is Windows XP anyway

    Finally, remember this is just an OS, no need to go mad about it, whether it is Windows, OSX or Linux. Just make a list of your needs, and work out which is the best for you. As for Windows 7 excellent reviews, and might try it, just hesitant to shell out yet more money, but for the moment its Linux Mint for me :)

  100. Hadphild says:

    OK Gaming

    I have a great idea. A Linux World of Warcraft distro. Play were ever there is a computer with just a reboot or loading off a VM form a USB pendrive. Just if all games could work that way. USB instant playback (In a Linux VM) on any PC or PS3 etc.

    Just an idea Dudes and Ladies

    Phil

  101. Daniel F. says:

    I agree and disagree with many of the comments, I have been using GNU/Linux Distros since 2000 and Ubuntu is clearly the winner.. but, in one way or another I have always managed to fuck up my linux setups, this is probably because I love to tweak and try things. I never obey to the rule: if it works dont touch it.

    The problem is mainly that I use my computers for work and for hobby purposes… I know.. I shouldnt play so much with the OS!

    I must say that in windows this also happens, like today when I simply installed the latest official nvidia drivers on a PC i use for casual gaming, on reboot I was (surprised) forced to 640×480 4 bit color… for an average user this would be a problem if they dont know how to roll back to the previous driver. Official Drivers and broken ?? On OSX these kind of things dont really happen. OSX is professional but all that iLife, iPhones.. sorry but for me its not even half as cool as the vibe you get when working purely on linux.

    In 9.04 i experienced glitches in some of the gnome applets but in general i would say its the cleanest and best looking desktop for everyday use. Its what Im running on my main desktop computer, so Im looking forward to install 9.10.

    I use other OS too, I just separate the tasks I do with my machines.. I own about 50 computers ATM… No OS is perfect!!

    Im running at home all the classic mac OS (from System6 to OSX) AmigaOS, BeOS, WindowsXP, Ubuntu 9.04 and lots of 8bit computers for fun! They are all cool!!!

  102. ubun2.com says:

    Absolutely agree. All the new features that are shipping with 9.10 is awesome, can’t wait to get hands on and try out.

  103. grabus says:

    Looking forward to trying 9.10, I’ve been with Ubuntu since 7.04, and settled on 8.04 – which I’m still happily running as it just works (almost to perfection).

    I used to be a tweaker, now I just want the OS to work out the box.

    I still have a load of usability issues with Ubuntu, but I also use Windows and OSX and have issues with them too.

    A lot of drag and drop stuff was nailed on Windows 98, no excuse for it not to work flawlessly on Ubuntu. Associating extensions with Apps, this is crap. The UI layer needs alot of polishing. And I don’t know if that’s a Gnome or Ubuntu issue.

    I rely on Compiz – which on Hardy is buggy, but couldn’t live without screen inversion and desktop zoom. I hope this has been added to Windows 7.

    Synaptic, and add remove are crap. Software Centre, better be better. Apt-get rocks. Relying on repositories can be great, but this needs to be improved. I’d like to see DMG style support too. Or desktop app jails.

    As far as I’m concerned the install CD comes with too many apps. I’d rather a bare bones install that I add to. I don’t touch fedora as it comes on a DVD. Keep it CD sized. Remember some still install on aging hardware.

    Big gotchas for me:
    *No ZFS in kernel – This is a big one. Try Open Solaris.
    *Hot plugable displays – and interface profiles?
    *Network profiles (I think this has been addressed in newer versions – finally addressed on windows 7)
    *Pulse audio not being totally polished
    *Poor office suite
    *Suspend and resume woes – I want fast hibernation.

    But right now I can live with the bugs.

    If you have money to buy Photoshop, you have money to buy windows 7. But add office into the mix, and it becomes slightly pricey. Software costs money, and you want it to last. I.e. get free updates.

    I think licensing is the issue here. How about if I have a copy of software at work, I can run it at home for free? Or I can run my windows copy in a VM and on another PC.

    If you are tied to Windows Apps, OSX isn’t going to even cut it. Every apple user I know, dual boots or runs vmware or parallels. In fact if I could afford a mac at hoe. People can always run Linux in a VM.

    I’m most happy when the OS doesn’t get in the way. When apps work well and any freezes crashes are recoverable. And that I can configure my machine on the command line as well as the desktop.

    At least developing nations can get most of the functionality they need for free. That’s amazing, Ubuntu provide an easy way into the Web.

    Despite my gripes (my desktop occasionally freezes, never used to), I celebrate all the things that are great about open source, Gnome and Ubuntu. Most of Ubuntu works amazingly well for me. And given the choice of OSX, Windows XP (haven’t tried 7 yet) or Ubuntu, I’ll stick with the latter.

    It would be great if Google or Ubuntu could put a little money into the Wine project. You might argue that an operating system is worth 100 pounds and up, but with a billion installs of windows (Balmer MS Anuual Report 2008). That complete monopoly is a farce and should be illegal. The best thing MS could do is to give their core operating system away at least for free or at no profit. And if they did, where would it leave Ubuntu?

  104. David Kirby says:

    Agreed! Just upgraded from 9.04 and I’m impressed by the new additions. Looks like version 10 is going to be killer…

  105. energyblogwalter says:

    with the 9.10 popup notice I am once again faced with an improved Ubuntu in all areas but one: video card support. For laptops in Ubuntu, ATI in its wisdom depreciated the available drivers such that an older video card cannot function beyond 60 Hz. Until OEM get their act together and support Linux without reservations, I’ll have to load Windoze up just to play a game. That is literally the only thing left keeping Windoze around. Until then I cannot support ATI nor Canon (printer setup also outside of Ubuntu) outright for their attitudes.

  106. O2BNTN says:

    The Future of the new OS models lies IN the future. Not with us trying to scrap between Windows marketing machine an Ubuntu. The youth that have grown up with free software and free downloads will be embracing this as well as leaning institutions because of Microsoft’s antiquated licensing model. I have installed it exclusively at our school and it is all the kids learn on. We teach software analysis not software branding which will serve them better in the future since every time Windows fails it goes away (why learn that). Focus on the youth and they will direct the market. Ubuntu may just be the little engine that could.

  107. Torquemada says:

    If you have a dual boot config with Vista/Windows 7 and Ubuntu, forget installing Karmic. GRUB2 will often hose your Vista/Win7 bootloader and not add it to the boot menu. What you end up with is a PC you can only boot to Ubuntu.
    Ubuntu 9.10 + Vista/Win7 = Fail

  108. Gerald says:

    I’ve been with Ubuntu for over 3 years now. Back and forth from Ubuntu to Windows. I am a bit geeky, installed 9.10 last night and was blown away with the crispness of the system. Everything flies on my system. Dual boot with a version of windows for my wife but I intend to do more with Linux Ubuntu. The Developers should be awarded for a job well done dispite the wimpy complaining from what seems like intelligent people. My take on the comments; complaint for what you pay for, what’s free should be considered with more sense.

  109. a579598 says:

    107. Had no problem at all with W7Starter and UNR in a netbook, not yet tried in the main computer but it only has xp.
    I still use windows for gaming and specific sw (and as the last option after trying wine and vmware), for everything else Linux is more than enough for me.
    Judging UNR, Karmic seems great to me.
    For that windows trolls, I’m considering returning W7Starter for xp home or whatever is available.

  110. Demaster says:

    I haven’t upgraded from 9.04, but will do it today. What I’m most shocked about is the vision that no one seems to have on the future. I’m finding that people who use Linux look at how Linux affects them personally, and if they thought about how much of a change Linux could truly make in the culture of the Windows/Linux/Mac OS battle we could stop paying for beta versions of Windows releases. Linux will never be what it needs to be until there are enough users that demand applications developers to begin developing software for Linux. What needs to happen is that the transition between Linux and Windows needs to be bridged more and more, and Ubuntu is definitely on that track. I’m a tech, and I’m sick of having to reinstall infected Windows OSs. Let’s work hard to get as many people to dual boot as possible so we can demand Microsoft create an OS that isn’t so vulnerable, and software developers want to create application for Linux (Ubuntu preferably).

  111. sharl says:

    First of all those who says that Linux is garbage are nuts. I am a .NET software developer that means that i use Vista on a regular basis while my own personal laptop is Ubuntu based since version 7.04. Why isn’t garbage. Okay let;s talk about stability Ubuntu is far stable compared to windows vista very infrequent crashes that affects only the crashed application not the whole OS like crashing windows explorer crap in addition. Let’s talk responsiveness Ubuntu is far more responsive when using applications or browsing file system (even when browsing NTFS drives). Lets’ talk lightweight i am running Ubuntu with full 3D effects on an old Acer/Turion single core machine and i could not be happier (despite crappy ATI drivers) in additions to memory usage and hard drive utilization. Let’s talk compatibility Ubuntu can run with almost all operating system and tried integrates with windows networks and domains (even better than Vista itself) completely compatible with Microsoft RDP protocol. Lets’ talk about driver compatibility who says that Ubuntu has problems with hardware ??? it detects nearly 90% of all hardware i have dealt with far much superior when compared to microsoft. Lets’ talk application support enough to say there are at least 5 good media player out there that you can use like exaile, banshee, listen, songbird etc… want an office open office is adequate enough. Development wise if you are using open source development not .NET based ones then you have no problem hell i am developing J2EE with seam using flex GUI under linux. Enough to say that since i used linux i need not worry about viruses or worse stupid anti-virus applications that sometimes are much worse than worms and viruses. One final thing is Ubuntu perfect? hell no it is not it still needs lots of improvement and tweaking. But let’s ask another question is Windows perfect Is Apple perfect? Concerning gaming i agree this one field that ubuntu fails and will always fail because games is a business and like any business it is about money and to convince a business to take a risk of targeting a OS that has virtually no good sales outlet is just a very stupid move. I hope that Ubuntu software center would mature and become that one outlet where 3rd party game developer even small ones could venture and slowly would follow the big companies with big titles and real games. One final thing Open source PEOPLE PLEASE think twice before naming your software :) Ubuntu is a horrible name whichever it means in whichever language sure you could pick something more marketable

  112. Magnus says:

    Personally I think the default theme is really ugly. Brown? What I did like with the new release though is that it seems like Pulse Audio is finally centralizing the sound configuration, which has been a tad convoluted, to say the least.

  113. zebala says:

    All the people who are complaining that there are too many apps in Ubuntu, install from the alternate install CD. At the boot press f4 and choose “install a command line system”. You’ll be able to choose every app and the window manager yourself and youll have zero crap. I did this and works like a charm! I recommend using aptitude to install stuff, since it handles dependencies so well.

    Cheers, zebala.

  114. marcin says:

    Almost perfect?? I don’t think so.

    If it was even almost perfect it wouldn’t require from me putting a bunch of commands I don’t fully understand in terminal to make my wireless or graphic card work properly. Let’s face it, Ubuntu as any other Linux out there is still for Linux nerds. Not everything works out of the box in Ubuntu and it should if you want people who aren’t computer nerds use it.
    I have dual boot with Linux and Windows. I always get frustrated how much time I have to waste to accomplish some tasks in Ubuntu comparing to Windows…

    Just my two cents.

  115. eric says:

    erm. you’re focusing on pre-installed software.
    that should be the least problem with a linux distro.
    the _whole_ point is that it’s easy to install any software..

  116. kawan says:

    i’m a songbird fan and i think it is the better choice of music player for linux. and hey, it also runs in ms windows!!!
    if i’m not mistaken , some of its programmer are also the guys behind winamp .

  117. thornton72 says:

    what about wanting a OS to simply run basic applications with out the bulk of huge amount of software? I’m not a super tech by any means but something just to email, chat, office docs and cruz the internet. And maybe a little photo editing? i think an OS has to be compared to the functions of windows by default just because windows owns 90% of the market. Most windows users have no idea there is an alternative to the blue screen of death.

  118. Gchase says:

    I just installed the released version of 9.10. It’s beautiful. I have been using Linux since ’95 and this is the best one I have seen. The biggest problem that I see is that people are expecting it to be all things to all people. I see rants about not including sshd and a programming environment by default. Mmmm … don’t remember ANY version of Windows including either … or even offered them as options. 4th year project? Mmmm … I would’nt mind hiring a slew of programmers that can push out something like 9.10 and do it for free. I listen to my tunes on it, do my programming on it, and run my virtual machines on it … oh and yeah, that’s all at the same time. No lag, no crashes, and no cost.

  119. Grumpy Old Man says:

    My problem with Ubuntu is the emphasis on whizzbang rather than fundamentals. I honestly don’t give a flying fuck about wobbly windows. I do care that it lists both halves of an already-mounted RAID mirror twice as mountable volumes in the file browser; that PulseAudio randomly crashes; that audio configuration is absurdly complicated (ALSA +OSS +PulseAudio) and constantly changing (remember Jack and ESD); that runlevels have been abandoned; that there’s no text-only login; that startup is non-deterministic (I’d rather go back to initd, wait a little longer at boot-time, and have sshd and SaMBa start reliably than have to log in half the time and start them manually); that suspend/hibernate doesn’t work properly; even little things like that the Gnome icon change dialog is massively counter-intuitive; … there are so many really basic things that have been b0rked since Breezy while chickenshit eye-candy and trifling crap gets the grease.

    I’ve been using Linux almost exclusively since 1997 and have installed various distributions on dozens of machines. Time was, distros got the fundamentals right but lacked polish, but it didn’t matter much because the simplicity and consistency of the basic Unix philosophy allowed anyone who grokked it to get down to the nuts and bolts and fix anything that was wrong. Now it’s all polish… and bloat.

    As a desktop OS, it’s still not at the races (for server and HPC, it’s great, though). People have been talking about Linux as a desktop OS for as long as I can remember, but it really hasn’t improved at all in any meaningful sense. I wanted to do some very basic video editing, and the super-crappy simple default Windows XP VE app is light-years ahead of any Linux VE in terms of usability. What company would invest in developing a game, a VE, or anything substantial for the Linux desktop when the APIs are about as stable as a bottle balanced on a broomstick balanced on a basketball?

    Meh… I should’ve stuck with RedHat 4.0.

  120. Rob says:

    My problem with not just this is all distros you need it to be more gui based so everyday users can get to grips with it i know you the luinx community hate it when they use a gui instead of a line command system but as has been pointed out before only a handful of people know the all the commands. I have an IT degree we used windows thru some tinkering i have learnt a few bits here and there on luinx but it still needs to be more user friendsly

  121. Daniel says:

    I was quite pleased with 9.04, which is why I am “downgrading” back to it. Although it is actually an upgrade because 9.04 doesn’t delay 0.5 seconds any time a window gains focus, a tab is changed or scrollbar is activated.

    9.10 is unusable for me, perhaps it is all the crap the distribution managers continue to pile up on X11. I’m done with kubuntu as of now.

  122. rodger spooncer says:

    I still need to use Windows XP for some files. Upgrades on previous Ubuntu products has required reinstalling of VMware to run the virtual machine and XP. Will this be an on-going issue with 9.10 ??

    Any comments please

  123. Timn says:

    In my opinion Ubuntu 9.10 is far from perfect. Now before you say anything I have been using strictly Ubuntu on all of my machines except my work computer since 7.04. While Karmic is very polished it lacks a lot of what Ubuntu has been built on… stability, speed, and customization. As each release of Ubuntu comes out they focus on the looks and less and less about how stable the system is (each release I see my system crashing more and more). I recently switched to Arch Linux and it has been running for about two weeks straight with heavy use and is still rock solid and has not had a single crash. Also with each release Ubuntu gets more bloated (back in 7.04 my memory usage was under 300MB while idle compared to the almost 500MB in Karmic). Again in Arch I am under 200MB while idle. Finally, Ubuntu makes it more and more difficult to change anything in the system. You now have to find a hidden GUI for anything you want to change. In Arch anything I need to modify I just open the text document that controls it and change what I need.

    Now before you all start to complain with “no one will use it without a GUI” or “we arn’t linux nerds”. SHUT UP! First we prefer being called Geeks, second Linux is a command line OS. I like what Ubuntu is doing for the Linux community but I think they are doing it too fast and not focusing on what makes Linux great. Instead of getting the average user to switch we need to focus on those who are willing to learn and children. Our world is already full of idiots who think everything should be theirs and “just work” we need to stop letting them think that way. I was able to switch to linux and learn from scratch and I am now able to do things faster in linux than Windows. Do you think Windows became the number one OS in a year? No it took quite a while so I don’t know why you would think Linux would be any different.

    If all you want to do is complain Ubuntu isn’t Windows then guess what Linux is not for you. Go back to Windows and be happy.

    Timn

  124. heckarim says:

    I think Ubuntu Software Center too simply, It give less information than Add/Remove, it remove the rate viewer, and the download speed when install software no longer visible.

  125. Sanjay says:

    I know ubuntu 9.10 is mind blowing. Its is the best OS now.
    I don’t think windows any version can compete Ubuntu now, only Mandriva 2010 and openSuse 11.2 can do this job , but future will tell which one is better among these three.
    Red this review at

    http://distrolove.blogspot.com/2009/11/ubuntu-910-karmic-koala-better-than.html

  126. Chris says:

    Well I am looking forward to getting to the end of my curent urgent and important task that I am relying on a stable 8.04 for so I can see all this new stuff, and hopefully discover some of the inconsistencies in 8.4 well and truly ironed out.

    I was a Windows user, but am now very happily a Ubuntu user. Maybe I cannot do everything in Ubuntu. I could not do everything in Windows either (and not simply because I could not afford it).

    I wanted to comment on an issue raised way back about no root login. having a root log in as the default way of adminitering a system is crazy. If you are relying on the system and someone, for whatever eson, starts messing up, and everyone uses the same uid (root) and password, how the hell do you track back who is the bad apple. Each admin MUST have their own user name and password. On other systems the onyl way is to have two uids, one for day to day and one for admin. The Ubuntu way is WAY better as far as I am concerned. I am protected from my own stupidity UNLESS I re-enter my password. And of course it’s good that if I forget and leave the PC logged in when I leave my desk, I am not leaving the whole shebang unprotected.

  127. Matt Needes says:

    I’ve just starting using Virtual Box to run a lot of Windows applications under Ubuntu such as Nikon Capture NX/2 (raw photo editing) and Garmin Mapsource. Virtual Box has surprisingly good USB connectivity–I have no problem connecting my Garmin GPS to Mapsource or my Nikon camera to View Nx. As soon as I complete the last PC game I care about, I am going to get rid of my Windows XP dual-boot and just run Ubuntu with virtualized windows. Sick of dual-booting windows garbage.

  128. Brian Barnes says:

    This is absolute garbage. Ubuntu 9.10 is perhaps the worst distro ever. And that’s saying something.

    The number of complaints and recriminations over the last couple of weeks has been staggering. So much for your “expert” opinion.

  129. dimitris says:

    I’m sick and tired about all that noise for which is the best OS. Some people claim Windows is the best, others Linux and some others MacOS.

    I am an expert user (or at least I think I am) and I have tried all three OS. My conclusions are:

    – Windows:
    Pros: They are friendly, easy, there is good support, they are compatible with the majority of s/w and h/w.
    Cons: They have a small cost, they become “heavy” sometimes

    – Linux:
    Pros: It’s free, it’s stable, it’s lightweight
    Cons: There is no official support except the community and some fora, there are compatibility problems with the h/w (e.g drivers), it is not as user friendly as windows since there are MANY MANY times that someone has to go to terminal window to run simple tasks.

    -MacOS:
    Pros: Awesome look, stable (btw, great hardware)
    Cons: Very expensive, have to adopt Apple’s philosophy in some things (e.g no cut-paste for files, no button for maximizing a window, etc)

    Conclusion:
    There is no winner or a looser. Each OS has it’s pros and cons and each user has to decide which OS is right for him. I believe that Windows are still a great package despite their problems (personal opinion). Linux is good and potential but surely not yet perfect. It will be when someone won’t have to go to a terminal window and it won’t bother for drivers and support. MacOS is also very good but Apple has to decrease prices and offer a more “open” philosophy.

  130. JoeBlow09 says:

    Started reading this last night and finally got to the end today after work.

    I must admit I like 9.10 and installed it on an old Inspiron 6400 laptop to play with at home and maybe give to my daughter.

    My only issues are the compatibility issues with Silverlight, Move media and parental controls. Its a great free OS, but honestly I may put Win 7 on this laptop to allow access to these sites which are crucial in my home laptop experience. I couldn’t watch Sunday Night Football or ESPN360.com because there are no plugins. Don’t want to wait 6 months to never to do so either.

    I agree with Dmitris is the sense that there are pros and cons to every OS. I use all 3 in my life experience. While you can’t beat what Ubuntu offers for free, there still is no such thing as a free lunch.

    For me the trade-off of not having MS Visio, project and television sites is a deal breaker. If I have to run it virtually at 1/2 the performance i might as well get a full client. For my wife, Facebook works fine on Ubuntu and Openoffice or google docs is perfect for her occasional letters.

    Choose your poison but i say kudos to Canonical for pushing the envelope.

  131. TheMonitor says:

    I love this distro of ubuntu. No, i am not a theme, or games, dude. All i want is functionality. If it need coding, i’ll do it. If i need a driver, i’ll make it work. Windows worked me well for programming until my AV picked EVERYTHING I coded up and deleted it!!! As to functionalilty, its getting close to Micro$oft. By far owns Mac. All we need is a tad more publicity, and it’ll catch. Hey, never know, ubuntu might rise in economic tough times when people can’t afford hundered doller CRAP. Gotta love other distros though, they all have their place.

  132. peterout says:

    Well, based on some of the enthusiasm here I have installed 9.10 (having installed and binned a load of distros over the years). First impression – excellent, much better than before and it looks good and offers to install my video card drivers. Brilliant! And then … wont play my mp3 music; offers to install files to fix it then says it can’t install all the files needed. Last FM in Rythmnbox doesnt work saying it needs a text/html encoder or something. Cant find it. My network printer works! Great! But the scanner isn’t found by XSANE. No fix available. Can’t play movies from my mobile phone. And so it goes on. If this is nearly perfect then I guess a perfect Ubuntu release has load of things that just don’t work. I don’t like windows or microsoft particularly and can’t afford a Mac, so Linux is my escape from windows. But Ubuntu still doesn’t work out of the box – and it needs to if it is to reach a wider audience. The frustrating thing is that there is so much right about it and so much that is better than windows but in the end it still falls way short. So, not ‘nearly perfect’ for me, rather ‘still doesn’t work’. Harsh, yes, but when Rythmnbox is installed by default and doesn’t work what is a user to think? And yes, its a hardware driver problem that stops things like my scanner working. But I was told a while back to consider Linux compatibility when buying new hardware. So I did, and I bought HP which has excellent Linux support apparently. But the scanner still doesn’t work.
    I guess if you do internet/email/messaging and basic Office apps then Linux may be for you. For everyone else its OSX or Windows. Damn.

  133. peterout says:

    I know this is an old thread and probably no-one has read my previous post, but I feel I should update it anyway. As I said several things didn’t work so I was dissapointed. But being a persistent sort of chap I tried to rectify things. A download of the latest HPLIP from HP site sorted out the scanner – now works great. Off to Synaptic to get hold of various codecs and now Rythmnbox works fine. Also got hold of latest Wine and now can play Half Life 2 and run Photoshop Elements. Never been able to do that in Linux before. So I change my mind. This is great! But of course I wanted it to work out of the box, but I forgot that with Linux you have to work for your fun! But less work was needed with this release than ever before and I will keep it on my PC but will still have to boot into Windows for various things like iTunes and my mobile phone software. For me its still not anywhere near perfect but it is certainly the best Ubuntu yet.

  134. Lester says:

    Recently the hard drive went on my 5 year old laptop. I put a new one in and replaced XP with a freash install of Karmic. I’m happy with it, and happier still that I’m happy with it. I’ve never used Ubuntu or linux before.

    1) Install was easy and nice looking. I’m a fan of brown.
    2) Most things worked straight away, and after learning a few command lines I got everything up to date and all the programs I needed. Awesome! Thanks Dev team!
    3) I’m still struggling to get my wireless to work, but I remain hopeful. In the mean time I’ve got a cable.
    4)I feel finally feel clean. This operating system has increased my hope for the future of humanity. Imagine if we could build hospitals and schools like this. It’s like socialism that works.

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  136. Clinton Baldridge says:

    Ubuntu Studio is a good choice if you need to edit video. It comes with most of the necessary libraries to manipulate and encode video, plus kino for basic editing. It is easy to install cinelerra if one needs compositing and more advanced non-linear editing. I imagine it would be fairly easy to add these tools to a standard Ubuntu 9.10 installation.

  137. knobcottage says:

    Well I’ve used Ubuntu and various ‘easy’ linuxes for years. This upgrade was a nightmare! It effectively wrote of the hard drive on my eeepc 900. Needed to google to find out how to fix it with a DD command. Tried it several times with several derivativs, each time the same. Disc disappeared completely. Ah well, shouldn’t do that on my big laptop, ….. upgraded from 9.04…. and it made a real mess, and yes, I did updtae full y first. Firstly it packed in during a few of the first attempts at the upgrade using the UK server. Fixed that by changing to the international one. I was then left with an odd mix. Now when it starts up I get a Xubuntu splash screen and loads of stuff does not work. I used to be a happy ubuntu bunny. Now I can’t recommend it to anyone. Personally I think it was not quite ready. I ended up with grub 1.7? BETA on a full installation on the eeepc! It really trashed my eeepc….but where do I go from here. Ubuntu was poor in 9.10. and many of the other distros built on oit suffer the same problems (e.g.Mint) did exactly the same but lasted a few boots longer. REAL SHAME.

  138. Barry Schinnerer says:

    Lets compare 9.10 to Windows 7. Ones free the other is not. I can install Ubuntu on 5 million computers for free, Windows 7 would cost many millions to do the same thing. Ubuntu 9.10 is very polished. I am running my Oregon weather station on it and doing every thing the average Joe wants to do. If your a gamer then you are a slave to Windows – enjoy your slavery!!

  139. Joseph Schwenker says:

    You forgot to mention Ubuntu’s deep integration of PulseAudio. So deep, in fact, that no WINE applications will have sound unless you kill or uninstall PulseAudio, which leads to overall system instability, leading to data loss and no volume control applet. The ease of use of the new audio system is great, but PulseAudio sucks. No sound in Blender games or WINE, OpenArena crashes the whole system… wow. Of course, since everyone is using 9.10, most of the stuff in the 9.04 repositories is outdated. Great. PulseAudio sucks! I will not upgrade to any future Ubuntu release unless PulseAudio is fixed or removed.

  140. Aaron says:

    What an awesome review. I was looking for a good distro to use for our church music and preaching both to record and burn to cd’s for people. And you included some great alternative apps at the end that look excellent! Thank you sir.

  141. FredZ says:

    Ubuntu and anything else that uses pulseaudio is a crock of shite. Here I am, well into what is supposed to be 9.10 “stable” and no sound in most applications. Just that equally useless amarok 2.

    Jeeezzz Win7 is starting to look tempting. Bugga the cost!

  142. cloyd says:

    Ubuntu NBR 9.10 is a great replacement for Vista on a 2 gig netbook. The machine was practically useless under Vista, crashing, locking up, slow and bloated. Ubuntu NBR worked as it should right out of the box. Yes, there is a learning curve, and I learn more every day. I’m really looking forward to getting rid of Vista on this machine. Have 9.04 on another machine, and prefer using Ubuntu even when it means rebooting in Vista when I must print (Lexmark doesn’t seem to like Linux –NOT the other way around). My office printer works fine with Ubuntu (cost $40). My home printer won’t print in Ubuntu (cost $80).

    Ubuntu doesn’t crash, boots quickly, shuts down quickly, runs better . . . one reason for running better is no resource hogging anti-virus is necessary. Open Office is sufficient for my needs as far as word processing and spreadsheets go, and fairly compatible Microsoft Office. Ubuntu surfs the net well, rips and burns cd’s well, and plays my music well.

    I am not a Geek, though I wish I was. But I can buy an “Idiot’s Guide to Linux” and read the instructions over and over until I understand them; I did have to read them several times. I was able to partition two drives and install ubuntu on two system without mishaps.

    There is tons of software available. It is different, one must learn to use it, but it seems to be very good. The Ubuntu software center works flawlessly for me, for effortless both installs and uninstalls.

    I have every intention making sure all my future hardware purchases are Linux compatible. Unless I am somehow forced by special software needs, I don’t intend to buy Windows again.

  143. харьков мебель says:

    I am running about 10 web sites on home server using Ubuntu, it really rocks!

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  146. Bob says:

    Can someone tell me why I can’t highlight, then hit copy, move to another page & paste with Ubuntu Studio 9.10 ? I need to copy from my programs (databases) that I’ve installed with WINE. (they seem to work there, except I can’t copy from them, to anything. They run there & find what I need, but I can’t move it to an email.) Also, I can’t copy & paste with Firefox at all, even with my XP computer. I hate it. I need to copy & paste data (I don’t have two days to type it out, word for word, from a database, to an email). If I can fix this problem, I can use Ubuntu Studio, if not, I’m back to Windows XP (I hate Vista, I used those DVD’s as Frisbees) I haven’t tried Windows 7 yet. I hate bells & whistles, which Windows / Microsoft thinks everyone wants. I ‘do’ EMAILS & DATABASES (60+ gbs of it, compressed), the rest is bull-shit. I need to put what I find in one, into the other, without learning a million new tricks. Like yesterday. I like Ubuntu, have had it installed for over 2 year, up-dated it, but now I’m ready to use it everyday & the copy & paste problem stops me. I’m not a tec type geek, but I’ve used a computer for 12 years doing what I do. I’m fed up with Microsoft & a Mac won’t work with my databases. They are old & designed for Windows, but WINE got them working on Linux. The reason I ‘spelled’ this all out is, I can’t find anything on the internet that solves my problem. I preform a FREE service, so, Linux fits that budget real well. I tried installing Internet Explorer 7 with WINE, got it on there, but not working, no internet. It will copy & paste. I need to use my mouse to do this, not go looking around for hidden buttons & things like that. The damn security bull-shit with Firefox is a pain in my ass, I don’t need it. It removes the copy & paste buttons in my email, a business type email. ???? Where they went, I don’t know, but they are there in IE ! Thanks in advance if you can figure this out.

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